<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > <span style="color: rgb(50, 49, 48); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important">but it bothers me how we keep not making a decision on this. If we'd </span><span style="color: rgb(50, 49, 48); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important">said, "let's keep it and support it", that would something.<span> </span></span></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I'm surprised there's any doubt.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> SCons works great for us. Meson gives no immediate benefit for us other than headaches. If we cared about nothing but ourselves, we'd keep SCons indefinitely, until it became a pain.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> The only reason we don't stubbornly put the foot down is that we understand that having one single build system would be beneficial the <i>whole</i> community, and of course we appreciate all the work Dylan and others did to get Meson to work on Windows, so we'd like to get there one day.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> That said, I don't understand why the rest of the Mesa community putting a gun against our head to abandon SCons.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Aren't we maintaining the SCons build? Since when in Mesa community are some entitled to start remove code that still works, is used, and maintained by others!!!!????</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Jose</span><br> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Kristian Høgsberg <hoegsberg@gmail.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 18:37<br> <b>To:</b> Jason Ekstrand <jason@jlekstrand.net><br> <b>Cc:</b> Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>; mesa-dev <mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org>; Dylan Baker <baker.dylan.c@gmail.com>; Jose Fonseca <jfonseca@vmware.com>; Brian Paul <brianp@vmware.com><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesa-dev] Drop scons for 20.1?</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <div class="PlainText">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:15 PM Jason Ekstrand <jason@jlekstrand.net> wrote:<br> ><br> > +Jose & Brian<br> ><br> > I'm not personally opposed but I also can't remember the last time I had to<br> > fix the scons build. I think it's been years. Maybe that's because I don't<br> > work on GL anymore? In any case, I don't know that it's really costing us<br> > that much given that basically none of the drivers actually build with it.<br> > But fat meh, I guess.<br> <br> Maybe it is a bit meh... I did the MR to remove SCons and it's smaller<br> that I thought it would be:<br> <br> <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.freedesktop.org%2Fmesa%2Fmesa%2F-%2Fmerge_requests%2F3955&data=02%7C01%7Cjfonseca%40vmware.com%7C6b2e8f2abc98458d18ad08d7baeb0443%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C1%7C637183390863817583&sdata=96lM4flW9ja6fJG95nlNdmftNiYpajxpg0Il850%2FDLk%3D&reserved=0">https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.freedesktop.org%2Fmesa%2Fmesa%2F-%2Fmerge_requests%2F3955&data=02%7C01%7Cjfonseca%40vmware.com%7C6b2e8f2abc98458d18ad08d7baeb0443%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C1%7C637183390863817583&sdata=96lM4flW9ja6fJG95nlNdmftNiYpajxpg0Il850%2FDLk%3D&reserved=0</a><br> <br> but it bothers me how we keep not making a decision on this. If we'd<br> said, "let's keep it and support it", that would something. But<br> whenever it comes up, Dylan maybe fixes something on the windows<br> build, we talk about trying to switch Windows to meson and then...<br> nothing.<br> <br> Also, we've had this unfortunate split between Linux and Windows build<br> systems where autotools suck on Windows and nobody on Unix ever had a<br> reason to use SCons. With meson we've picked something that's a<br> legitimate improvement on both sides, get's us back to one build<br> system and done more than due dilligence to make it work on Windows<br> and we're not taking the last step because... meh?<br> <br> Kristian<br> <br> > --Jason<br> ><br> > On February 25, 2020 21:56:30 Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com> wrote:<br> ><br> > > It looks like we have 4 scons build jobs in CI.. I'm not sure how much<br> > > that costs us, but I guess those cycles could be put to better use?<br> > > So even ignoring the developer-cycles issue (ie. someone making<br> > > changes that effects scons build, and has to setup a scons build env<br> > > to fix breakage of their MR) I guess there is at least an argument to<br> > > remove scons from CI. Whether it is worth keeping a dead build system<br> > > after it is removed from CI is an issue that I'm ambivalent about.<br> > ><br> > > BR,<br> > > -R<br> > ><br> > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:42 PM Kristian Høgsberg <hoegsberg@gmail.com> wrote:<br> > >><br> > >> It's been a while since Dylan did the work to make meson support<br> > >> Windows and there's been plenty of time to provide feedback or improve<br> > >> argue why we still need scons. I haven't seen any such discussion and<br> > >> I think we've waited long enough.<br> > >><br> > >> Let's drop scons for the next release and move things forward?<br> > >><br> > >> Kristian<br> > >> _______________________________________________<br> > >> mesa-dev mailing list<br> > >> mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org<br> > >> <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.freedesktop.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmesa-dev&data=02%7C01%7Cjfonseca%40vmware.com%7C6b2e8f2abc98458d18ad08d7baeb0443%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C1%7C637183390863817583&sdata=d40ceGVLhyahNydLEZ55P7hgjqeLtIOMKN6J0NPmfwE%3D&reserved=0"> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.freedesktop.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmesa-dev&data=02%7C01%7Cjfonseca%40vmware.com%7C6b2e8f2abc98458d18ad08d7baeb0443%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C1%7C637183390863817583&sdata=d40ceGVLhyahNydLEZ55P7hgjqeLtIOMKN6J0NPmfwE%3D&reserved=0</a><br> > > _______________________________________________<br> > > mesa-dev mailing list<br> > > mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org<br> > > <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.freedesktop.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmesa-dev&data=02%7C01%7Cjfonseca%40vmware.com%7C6b2e8f2abc98458d18ad08d7baeb0443%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C1%7C637183390863817583&sdata=d40ceGVLhyahNydLEZ55P7hgjqeLtIOMKN6J0NPmfwE%3D&reserved=0"> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.freedesktop.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmesa-dev&data=02%7C01%7Cjfonseca%40vmware.com%7C6b2e8f2abc98458d18ad08d7baeb0443%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C1%7C637183390863817583&sdata=d40ceGVLhyahNydLEZ55P7hgjqeLtIOMKN6J0NPmfwE%3D&reserved=0</a><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> </div> </span></font></div> </body> </html>