[Openicc] Print-colormanagement, application->CUPS->gutenprint
Hal V Engel
hvengel at astound.net
Wed Apr 20 04:20:21 EST 2005
On Tuesday 19 April 2005 08:11 am, Michael Sweet wrote:
> Hal V Engel wrote:
> > ...
> > I think some of us are confusing getting fairly good colors on
> > printed output with color management. ...
>
> No, I'm not, but that is, quite frankly, the ultimate goal of
> any color management.
Some color managed work flows never go to a printer - at least not as the
intended final result. One example is Cinepaint which is used to edit frames
for movies. Printing is part of color management but if your output is going
to be a movie it is definitely not the ultimate goal. There are all kinds of
end states for color managed work flows and a printed document or photograph
is only one of many.
I would say that the ultimate goal of color management is to keep color
consistent at all stages of the work flow. Printing is just one of those
stages. I don't mean this as a trivialization. Printing is a very important
part of CM but it is no more important than any of the other stages in the
work flow. After all if I mess up my work flow at image acquisition I will
have messed up colors all the way through to the printer. The result is
still messed up no matter how good of a job the printing system did of
correctly printing the image. I don't think I can over state this: color
management is an end to end process and every stage of that process is
equally important.
>
> Your complaint that you can't plug in any profile and any ink
> set into your printer and get Gimp/Gutenprint to take it without
> hacking the driver isn't valid,
This was an observation not a complaint. And I don't want to plug in any
profile I want to plug in custom created device specific profiles. I will
quote Jan-Peter Homann from an earlier note to try to clarify what I was
trying to say:
"1a. good profiles need good linearization
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The linearization of the CMYK(cmRGB..) chanels is the basis for
printers-colormanagement which works.
Linearization is mainly done with 1D Luts for each channel. During
linearization, the user sets an inklimit for every single channel and
generates / manipulates an curve from zero-color to the inklimit.
This 1D Luts can be generated via an graphical interface like a
gradation curve, or they are calculated by measurement with an
densitometer / spectrophotometer like the GMB EyeOne.
Also necessary is an total-inklimit for all channels together.
This inklimit is done by replacing equal CMY-amounts with K, also known
as GCR. The optimal total-inklimit is visual evaluated from testprints
with special images for inspection of inklimits.
After linearization / inklimiting, the testchart for profiling will be
printed."
As Jan-Peter correctly points out printers (actually I think he really was
talking about the printer/paper/ink combination) should be individually
linearized to get the best possible results and that this should take place
before printing the profiling target that will be be used to generate a
custom profile. Most high end 3rd party inks will be close enough to the OEM
inks in color and gamut that the factory default linearization is close
enough to get a result that is nearly as good as OEM inks using the factory
default linearization with a custom profile. But both could be improved,
perhaps substantially, if the printer/paper/ink combination were custom
linearized before profiling.
Stable versions of gimp-print/Gutenprint have the linearization curves hard
coded and these are not user configurable. At least not without a lot of
fairly low level work. Again an observation not a complaint. I have not
looked at version 5.0 in any detail but it appears that at least some work
has been done to improve this and I am sure that more work will be done in
the future. In the long run I think we will need higher level tools to build
an install custom linearization curves. This has all come a long way but
there is still much work that needs to be done.
snip
>
> I'm not sure what you mean about a black point compensation option.
> The black point is usually specified as part of the source profile
> in the application/document, so CUPS will get that information
> (black point, white point, and other profile info) in the print
> job, too. Similarly, the printer profile specifies the black
> point (and white point) for the given combo of media, inkset,
> and resolution...
>
> Are you looking for an option to disable gamut expansion?
>
> Couldn't that be handled by the rendering intent option?
Black point compensation is an option that is available in Photoshop's print
preview dialog in the color management section. I am not sure exactly what
it does but I think it has something to do with how that darker parts of the
image are handled during the color space conversion. So I guess that it is
part of the rendering intent in that it slightly changes how the image is
rendered. I also know that I get slightly better shadow detail in my prints
if I use it.
>
> > By the way when will CUPS 1.2 be released for us non-Mac users?
>
> I'm hoping that betas will be available within a month (I've been
> saying that for a while now, but I've been busy) with a production
> release this fall.
Please keep us informed. When the Gutenprint folks get the hooks in place in
the plug-in to test a full CM printing work flow I would like to install and
test betas of both CUPS and Gutenprint.
Also will this include model specific printer profiles or will someone else
have to produce these? For testing purposes I can produce my own custom
device specific profiles if no profiles are supplied. But I would like to
test with both the supplied model specific profiles and my custom profiles.
>
> I suspect that Apple won't be adopting CUPS 1.2 until MacOS X 10.5
> at the earliest (you'd have to ask them for an official answer,
> although I suspect you won't get one at this point... :)
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