[pulseaudio-discuss] Changing default soundcard on attach/detach of soundcards

Jeremy Nickurak jeremy at nickurak.ca
Tue Jun 15 11:01:11 PDT 2010

Ah, yes, I've read this propsal. Sounds great, and yes, it's pretty
clear we were arguing for the same thing, each misunderstanding what
the other was suggesting :)

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:39, Colin Guthrie <gmane at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
> 'Twas brillig, and Jeremy Nickurak at 15/06/10 17:46 did gyre and gimble:
>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:05, Colin Guthrie <gmane at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
>>> Added to this, there are numerous examples of when I really don't want,
>>> nor would expect this to happen. e.g. I'm playing music and I get my USB
>>> headset to make a VoIP call. My music playing happily on my USB Speakers
>>> and I want it stay there, but as soon as I plug in my headset it
>>> transfers. I'd much rather it stayed where it was. I may want to leave
>>> my USB Headset plugged in (I often do).
>> Okay, then the headset should be configured somehow to never become
>> the fallback. Maybe that's automatic based on profile information....
>> but it should probably be overridable. Let the user say what devices
>> are potential fall-back devices, and probably allow an ordering for
>> them.
> Yes of course that's allowed. The whole ability to order them is the
> main point of my proposal.
> The only thing that's being debated here is what happens when a brand
> new, never seen before device is plugged in.
>>> The general rule is if you can't do something automatically that works
>>> every time, then don't do it automatically at all, but make it easy and
>>> obvious to the user how to do it manually.
>> That's a great philosophy... but it applies mostly to hard-coding
>> things. We don't want the user to have to open up a control panel and
>> reconfigure things every time they plug/unplug a device, right?
> Of course not.... I'm beginning to think that you're arguing something
> very different to me. I'm not suggesting for a second that the user
> would have to configure something every time they plug/unplug a device.
> Only that they *will* need to configure things one. We will not do
> anything too clever automatically, i.e. without the user's direct
> intervension unless we know we'll get it right in the vast, vast
> majority of cases. I think the VoIP streams on Headsets is the likely
> case for when we can get things right 99% of the time automatically.
> That's not to say the user cannot make a configuration override that
> will subsequently be used in preference to our automatic choices however.
>> Consider the case of docking stations, where any time the user sits
>> down at their desk, they want the sound redirected to the desktop.
>> (Although there's a case here to be careful about... we don't want to
>> take the output to speakers if they're currently blasting high-volume
>> heavy metal on headphones....)
> OK, this confirms that we're not arguing the same thing.
> If you read my proposal, (the first link I posted very near the
> beginning of this thread) you'll see that this setup will be easily
> supported.
> The only think I've been talking about (and due to the concepts I'd
> written in my proposal, I presumed you were talking about too) is what
> happens the very *first* time a device is plugged in.
> Col.
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