[pulseaudio-discuss] Weak bass in stereo mode – possibility of virtual 2.1 sound profiles

[Alexander E. Patrakov]

Alexander E. Patrakov <patrakov at gmail.com>:
>
> Tanu Kaskinen <tanuk at iki.fi>:
> >
> > On Sat, 2018-10-13 at 22:29 +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
> > > On 10/7/18 6:27 PM, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
> > > > вс, 7 окт. 2018 г. в 16:42, Karl Ove Hufthammer <karl at huftis.org
> > > > <mailto:karl at huftis.org>>:
> > > >
> > > >     Alexander E. Patrakov skreiv 07.10.2018 09:44:
> > > >      >
> > > >      >     I don’t understand why this is happening. Shouldn’t
> > > >      >     ‘remixing-use-all-sink-channels = no’ just affect *upmixing* of
> > > >      >     sound,
> > > >      >     and leave 5.1 material alone?
> > > >      >
> > > >      >
> > > >      > This is a known bug that appears because there are two 5.1
> > > >     standards:
> > > >      > proper 5.1 and 5.1 Side. The video player (I guess you use mpv)
> > > >     says:
> > > >      > the extra two channels have to come from the side.
> > > >
> > > >     Looks like you’re right. If I run ‘ffprobe’ on my 5.1 test file, it
> > > >     returns:
> > > >
> > > >         Stream #0:1[0x1100]: Audio: dts (DTS-HD MA) ([134][0][0][0] /
> > > >     0x0086), 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), s32p (24 bit)
> > > >
> > > >     So the video file (and mpv) seems to  use the ‘5.1(side)’ standard.
> > > >     (Which is a bit strange, since this is supposed to be a video file to
> > > >     test a normal 5.1 setup, AFAICS.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (speaking with my "DTS encoder author" hat on)
> > > >
> > > > The issue is that it is a DTS file. DTS uses completely different
> > > > channel names than what's found in PulseAudio source. The proper
> > > > normative reference is:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102100_102199/102114/01.03.01_60/ts_102114v010301p.pdf
> > > > page 19, table 5.4 (note that the presence of the LFE channel is
> > > > transmitted separately).
> > > >
> > > > Your file uses AMODE=0b001001=9, so the list of channels is: "Center",
> > > > "Left", "Right", "Surround Left", "Surround Right". And there is also a
> > > > 64x downsampled LFE channel. FFMmpeg-based decoders map "Surround" to
> > > > "Side" because "Rear" also exists in other channel layouts and means
> > > > something different. There is no way in DTS to express a layout with
> > > > "Rear" but no "Surround" channels.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >      > But your system does not have speakers there, it has them on the
> > > >     rear.
> > > >      > So PulseAudio attempts to remix. In fact, sound both with and
> > > >     without
> > > >      > remixing-use-all-sink-channels is wrong.
> > > >
> > > >     What’s wrong about the remixing when one uses
> > > >     ‘remixing-use-all-sink-channels = yes’?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The rear channels will get not a copy of the side, but an average of
> > > > front and side.
> > >
> > > As promised, here is a patch.
> >
> > Thanks a lot! Very nice fix for a common problem, I applied it now. I
> > expect to look into the big remixing rework patch soon.
> >
> > > Note that I am unhappy with it, because it fixes only a particular
> > > common problem case, while other related issues stay unfixed. E.g. if
> > > one tries to play 5.1 audio on 7.1 system, with or without this patch:
> > >
> > > - Front, Center and LFE channels are mapped 1:1, which is correct
> > > - Rear (or what mpv calls "Side") source channels are mapped to Side,
> > > which is also correct, because it's the Side speakers in the ITU-T 7.1
> > > layout, not Rear, which have the nearest position to what Dolby
> > > specifies for Surround AC3 speakers.
> > > - The true rear channels get a mix between Front and Side, which is
> > > clearly incorrect. ITU R-REC-BS.775-3-201208 says that both sets of
> > > surround channels should be fed the same signal.
> >
> > Regarding that last point, do I understand correctly that the
> > recommendation is to duplicate the 5.1 rear(/side) channels to both the
> > side and rear channels in 7.1? Doesn't that cause imbalance by
> > amplifying the rear channels? Or is it compensated by attenuating the
> > signal?
>
> You understood correctly. In my big patch, it is compensated by
> attenuating the signal. Anyway, I am going to resubmit it later today
> without the half-baked change about the LFE volume.

Sorry, I have to do it later. I have too much non-PulseAudio work to do :(

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Alexander E. Patrakov