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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/12/17 03:31, Yan Vugenfirer
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          <div class="">On 28 Dec 2017, at 16:44, Amnon Ilan <<a
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              To: "Yedidyah Bar David" <<a
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              Cc: "Frediano Ziglio" <<a
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              "Christophe Fergeau" <<a
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              <a href="mailto:spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
                class="" moz-do-not-send="true">spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org</a>,
              "Amnon Ilan" <<a href="mailto:ailan@redhat.com"
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              Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 1:13:24 PM<br class="">
              Subject: Re: [Spice-devel] [nsis v3 2/2] build: Don't add
              .pdb debug files to the installer<br class="">
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              Hi Didi (and the guys),<br class="">
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              We don't ship debug information in our d/s WGT, and
              personally I'm not sure<br class="">
              how useful it really may be, e.g. if the customers will
              get BSOD if that<br class="">
              will show any more useful information.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Luckily our VirtIO-Win drivers are quite stable, so we
              don't have many such<br class="">
              issues anyhow.<br class="">
              But I think it's best to see what VirtIO-Win guys think
              about it.<br class="">
              Amnon, what is your view on this?<br class="">
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              install pdb files, but should have it accessible<span
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              inline !important;" class="">Vadim, Yan, can you comment
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        Hello,</div>
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      <div>I think they should be kept together with build artefacts.
        When we get bug reports from the field we use pdb files
        distributed with specific build ISO.</div>
      <div>But if you repackage the virtio-win package into
         RHV-guest-tools installer, then I don’t see specific need to
        keep PDB files as long as we can clearly connect between
         RHV-guest-tools version and virtio-win version. <br>
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    If we want to let end users running live or postmortem debug session
    on their own, then shipping .pdb files is a must.<br>
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    Vadim.<br>
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      <div>Best regards,</div>
      <div>Yan.<br class="">
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              My personal opinion is that for u/s users we may provide
              these files as a<br class="">
              separate package or simply forward them to the u/s
              VirtIO-Win ISO.<br class="">
              However I don't mind to keep things as is and having them
              as part of the<br class="">
              base installer for simplicity of distribution.<br class="">
              After all the new versions are not frequent and have to be
              downloaded only<br class="">
              once per oVirt instance, so the increased download size
              should not be an<br class="">
              issue.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              If anything, I'm more concerned with the waste of the disk
              space of the VM,<br class="">
              and even that should not be a critical issue in most
              cases.<br class="">
              So it would be nice to have an option to install the debug
              information<br class="">
              during the install, so the user could choose by himself.<br
                class="">
              <br class="">
              Thanks in advance,<br class="">
              <br class="">
              On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Yedidyah Bar David <<a
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              <blockquote type="cite" class="">On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at
                4:10 PM, Frediano Ziglio <<a
                  href="mailto:fziglio@redhat.com" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">fziglio@redhat.com</a>><br
                  class="">
                wrote:<br class="">
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                  <blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">
                    On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:26:00AM -0500, Frediano
                    Ziglio wrote:<br class="">
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                      <blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">
                        The .pdb files contain the debug information for
                        the drivers. They<br class="">
                        increase significantly the size of the
                        installer, so it's better<br class="">
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                not to<br class="">
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                      <blockquote type="cite" class="">ship them.<br
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                      <br class="">
                      On the other side bug report will contain much
                      less informations.<br class="">
                      Not really sure about it.<br class="">
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                    <br class="">
                    Which bug reports? :) (I don't think I ever got any
                    report about driver<br class="">
                    crashes). I would reconsider when we start getting
                    bug reports where we<br class="">
                    need these symbols.<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    Christophe<br class="">
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                  No idea, was just thinking that if somebody packaged
                  these files maybe<br class="">
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                they want<br class="">
                <blockquote type="cite" class="">them installed. They
                  are not directly in the virtio-win package but in<br
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                the ISO.<br class="">
                <blockquote type="cite" class="">Maybe we should remove
                  from the ISO too ?<br class="">
                  I had a look at the inf files and they not reference
                  the pdb files.<br class="">
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                Adding Lev.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Lev - do we ship pdb files in RHV-guest-tools?<br
                  class="">
                Did we ever get bug reports about drivers that included
                relevant<br class="">
                information<br class="">
                which is not available without the pdb files?<br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                Thanks,<br class="">
                --<br class="">
                Didi<br class="">
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              --<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Lev Veyde<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Software Engineer, RHCE | RHCVA | MCITP<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Red Hat Israel<br class="">
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              TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <<a
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