From deloptes at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 19:33:42 2019 From: deloptes at gmail.com (deloptes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:33:42 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support Message-ID: Hi, if this is still alive and someone is reading - do you know any recent phones that implement syncml. I need to replace the phone, but couldn't find out which newer one would support syncml. Nokia seems to have dropped it and for many phones there is no documentation. Android and iOS is a no go anyway. thanks in advance _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From patrick.ohly at intel.com Mon Jan 14 19:58:35 2019 From: patrick.ohly at intel.com (Patrick Ohly) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:58:35 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: deloptes writes: > if this is still alive and someone is reading - do you know any recent > phones that implement syncml. I'm still here. SyncML however looks pretty much dead. Your best bet is probably a (local?) CalDAV/CardDAV server and a phone that supports that. I don't have specific recommendations, though. Bye, Patrick _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From deloptes at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 20:20:48 2019 From: deloptes at gmail.com (deloptes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:20:48 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support References: Message-ID: deloptes wrote: > Hi, > > if this is still alive and someone is reading - do you know any recent > phones that implement syncml. I need to replace the phone, but couldn't > find out which newer one would support syncml. Nokia seems to have dropped > it and for many phones there is no documentation. Android and iOS is a no > go anyway. > > thanks in advance Ah good, good to know that you are still around. So basically we just say "welcome to idiocracy". I was thinking to resurrect buteo or whatever was supposed to run in MeeGo and was obliterated in Sailfish. Then I was thinking to dump Sailfish as they moved to bluez5 and can not make it to work with my car audio. Finally the audio jack broke and I can not use it in the car by any means. I wanted to go back to simple phone with bluez2,3 or 4, but found out that no one implements SyncML anymore .... so I ended up asking. Thanks for frank answer. I still think that it was very good thing and I am not sure if we have to give up that easy. I may look again at the buteo code for Sailfish, but I have general problem with Sailfish in terms of devices - Jolla somehow thinks they have to support always bigger and bigger devices .... no idea what to do. Perhaps I'll look for some opensource solution for more simple phone ... chances not bigger. Window seems to be closing again, where one could easily keep contacts in sync without being big brothered. thanks and regards _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From butirsky at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 21:27:35 2019 From: butirsky at gmail.com (Andrey Butirsky) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:27:35 +0300 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> Hi, personally, I don't understand too why we have to give up that easily. There is no real alternative indeed, and having to keep all the contacts in clear text on server at BB service, or organize "home services" for that is just a ridiculous.. ? On 14.01.2019 23:20, deloptes wrote: > Ah good, good to know that you are still around. So basically we just > say "welcome to idiocracy". _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From deloptes at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 21:43:53 2019 From: deloptes at gmail.com (deloptes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 22:43:53 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Andrey Butirsky wrote: > Hi, > personally, I don't understand too why we have to give up that easily. > > There is no real alternative indeed, and having to keep all the contacts > in clear text on server at BB service, or organize "home services" for > that is just a ridiculous.. Yes my WLAN is disconnected from the intranet for good reason. I read recently the specs of obexd that is under kernel custody and it says there, that it supports synchronization - https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/bluetooth/bluez.git/tree/doc/obex-api.txt Unfortunately I do not know (yet) if obex in Sailfish (kernel 3.10) supports this, but it looks like if interface service is there, it could work. I am also not sure what you can do to make phone OS manufacturers include support for syncml or anything not WLAN dependent, otherwise I share your opinion - we are left without choice, without alternative. regards _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From butirsky at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 21:54:00 2019 From: butirsky at gmail.com (Andrey Butirsky) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:54:00 +0300 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support In-Reply-To: References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5848c9ea-1251-3db9-771b-9dfe9e6d21d8@gmail.com> Do you mean WAN maybe? On 15.01.2019 00:43, deloptes wrote: > Yes my WLAN is disconnected from the intranet for good reason. _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From deloptes at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 22:08:09 2019 From: deloptes at gmail.com (deloptes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:08:09 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> <5848c9ea-1251-3db9-771b-9dfe9e6d21d8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Andrey Butirsky wrote: > Do you mean WAN maybe? WAN means wide area network - it is not for me - I mean WLAN (wireless local area network) - the wireless router - it is infront of the firewall and I have to reconfigure all of that to get from there into the intranet - note intrAnet - not the internet. regards _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From deloptes at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 20:50:09 2019 From: deloptes at gmail.com (deloptes) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 21:50:09 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Andrey Butirsky wrote: > Hi, > personally, I don't understand too why we have to give up that easily. > > There is no real alternative indeed, and having to keep all the contacts > in clear text on server at BB service, or organize "home services" for > that is just a ridiculous.. > This is from my discussion on buteo https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2017-October/008070.html I never found time to look further into this and Sailfish changed versions in between, but I guess it should be still possible to do it and perhaps I'll try when I find some time during this year. Interesting to know what is the status of syncevolution and what Patrick is planning to do with it in the future. I think this is the only way left to keep this excellent software alive. regards _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From patrick.ohly at intel.com Wed Jan 16 08:30:39 2019 From: patrick.ohly at intel.com (Patrick Ohly) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:30:39 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support In-Reply-To: References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> Message-ID: deloptes writes: > Interesting to know what is the status of syncevolution and what Patrick is > planning to do with it in the future. I consider SyncEvolution stable as it is and don't have plans to add features. I'll keep maintaining it as long as people use it - which I assume people still do (hard to tell with open source, in particular when users don't need to download it from syncevolution.org because it is in distros). Maintenance basically means keeping the website and a build machine for testing and build around, should a new release become necessary. I was considering a new release a while back (okay, a year ago?) but it never became a priority and thus hasn't happened. Modernizing the code to a more recent C++ was the main potential change. Bye, Patrick _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From deloptes at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 21:19:45 2019 From: deloptes at gmail.com (deloptes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 22:19:45 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Patrick Ohly wrote: > I consider SyncEvolution stable as it is and don't have plans to add > features. I'll keep maintaining it as long as people use it - which I > assume people still do (hard to tell with open source, in particular > when users don't need to download it from syncevolution.org because it > is in distros). > > Maintenance basically means keeping the website and a build machine for > testing and build around, should a new release become necessary. I was > considering a new release a while back (okay, a year ago?) but it never > became a priority and thus hasn't happened. Modernizing the code to a > more recent C++ was the main potential change. This sounds good. In an old fashioned way I wish may God bless you and give you long live :) So may be it is worth for us trying to save syncml in the Sailfish OS. The quality from N9, if can be kept is sufficient for me and for sure for many others. Another option would be to use this synchronization interface in obexd, I posted before - but I guess it would need much more work - time that we do not have, I guess. Thank you Patrick! regards _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From patrick.ohly at intel.com Thu Jan 17 16:22:08 2019 From: patrick.ohly at intel.com (Patrick Ohly) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:22:08 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support In-Reply-To: References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> Message-ID: deloptes writes: > Another option would be to use this synchronization interface in obexd, I > posted before - but I guess it would need much more work - time that we do > not have, I guess. The OBEX synchronization support is an incomplete replacement for SyncML. I looked at it when I was doing PBAB support and my conclusion at the time was that it is not suitable for incremental sync, so I never bothered with trying to use it. But I don't remember what the exact issues were - something about long-lived identifiers for items, I believe. _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From dclement1 at laposte.net Mon Jan 21 15:20:13 2019 From: dclement1 at laposte.net (Daniel CLEMENT) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:20:13 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support In-Reply-To: References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1548084013.5298.4.camel@laposte.net> Le mercredi 16 janvier 2019 ? 22:19 +0100, deloptes a ?crit?: > Patrick Ohly wrote: > > > I consider SyncEvolution stable as it is and don't have plans to > > add > > features. I'll keep maintaining it as long as people use it - which > > I > > assume people still do (hard to tell with open source, in > > particular > > when users don't need to download it from syncevolution.org because > > it > > is in distros). > > > > Maintenance basically means keeping the website and a build machine > > for > > testing and build around, should a new release become necessary. I > > was > > considering a new release a while back (okay, a year ago?) but it > > never > > became a priority and thus hasn't happened. Modernizing the code to > > a > > more recent C++ was the main potential change. > > This sounds good. In an old fashioned way I wish may God bless you > and give > you long live :) > > So may be it is worth for us trying to save syncml in the Sailfish > OS. The > quality from N9, if can be kept is sufficient for me and for sure for > many > others. > > Another option would be to use this synchronization interface in > obexd, I > posted before - but I guess it would need much more work - time that > we do > not have, I guess. > > Thank you Patrick! > > regards > > Well, PMFJI, but?I was in the process of upgrading to Debian 9 Stretch when this thread started (I was more or less forced to do that) and I'd like to add my own thanks to Patrick Ohly for this great piece of software (I wish I could contribute more). My good old Nokia E72 is still going strong (and I store some spare). I hope I can use it until I retire... Greeting from yet another SyncML user, -- Daniel CLEMENT _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution From deloptes at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 21:37:12 2019 From: deloptes at gmail.com (deloptes) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 22:37:12 +0100 Subject: [SyncEvolution] Newer phones with syncml support References: <1919d27b-9b43-fc0d-d0a1-b632406e4d4f@gmail.com> <1548084013.5298.4.camel@laposte.net> Message-ID: Daniel CLEMENT wrote: > Well, PMFJI, but?I was in the process of upgrading to Debian 9 Stretch > when this thread started (I was more or less forced to do that) and I'd > like to add my own thanks to Patrick Ohly for this great piece of > software (I wish I could contribute more). > > My good old Nokia E72 is still going strong (and I store some spare). I > hope I can use it until I retire... > I hope the batteries of the spares will keep up with time as this is what is making me think of saving SyncML somehow > Greeting from yet another SyncML user We'll be perhaps able to save it in Sailfish as there is code already from MeeGo (which Patrick dislikes IMO), and Sailfish is pretty open in this regards. However I have my issues with Sailfish and it is not certain they will manage to survive long term. regards _______________________________________________ SyncEvolution mailing list SyncEvolution at syncevolution.org https://lists.syncevolution.org/mailman/listinfo/syncevolution