[systemd-devel] An update

[Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri]

Of course I did forget the attached file in previous

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
<barbieri at profusion.mobi> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Greg KH <greg at kroah.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 02:15:02PM -0200, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s <caneko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hi; I just wanted to give an update on the status of my system running
>>> > Gentoo with systemd. I run a full GNOME desktop, with NetworkManager
>>> > for connectivity, in a laptop with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor at
>>> > 2.26 Ghz, 4Gb of memory
>>> >
>>> > I'm using the systemd ebuild from Gustavo, with some small
>>> > modfications, and the ebuilds from Gentoo changed as little as
>>> > possible, and using stable versions when possible. With that, I ran
>>> > into three problems.
>>>
>>> which ebuilds do you need more? AFAIR you just need my systemd.ebuild
>>> and it should work with upstream portage.
>>>
>>> BTW, Greg KH which happens to be a Gentoo maintainer offered himself
>>> to help merging systemd ebuild into portage! Yay, we got a sponsor
>>> developer ;-)
>>
>> Yes, I'm willing to do this, I tried to find you later in the week at
>> the conference to discuss how to do this, but failed.
>>
>> Point me at your ebuilds and I'll start working on getting them, and any
>> changed ebuilds, checked in.
>
> The official bug is; http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318365
>
> However as you can see it for an old release. I'm using the attached
> live version instead, as I'm helping with systemd's development I
> update it daily, if not after every commit I notice here. You can
> check out my notes so far at
> http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/gentoo/overlay/sys-apps/systemd/README.txt
>
> Lennart should be doing a new release soon, so we can add a non-live
> package based on it to avoid breakages.
>
> NOTES:
>  - although there are flags for audit, gtk and selinux, I never
> changed those. My build is running with pam, tcpwrap and nosysv (maybe
> turning those off may fail as well -- we need more testers).
>   - we're using 2.6.36 features, actually with FANOTIFY support if
> one plans to have read-ahead. As it was disabled in official 2.6.36
> release, maybe we have a warning about it? Or just stick it in
> CONFIG_CHECK?
>
> One of the biggest problems so far to have it working is that "server"
> packages (those that installed at /etc/init.d) either does not know
> about systemd or auto-discover it, not being able to be told if it
> should be used or not, not able to depend on it. This is quite bad, as
> your dbus, consolekit, udev or others may or may not provide systemd
> unit files.  Dbus is quite a good example, as you need dbus to install
> systemd, then you need to re-emerge dbus to let it auto-discover
> systemd and install its own units.
>
> The way to fix it would be to provide a systemd use flag and then we
> progressively patch ebuilds to forcefully install units and in such
> case do not install /etc/init.d
>
> In that front, we can also make systemd conflict with sysvinit or
> other that implement virtual/init, so we can replace system binaries
> like /sbin/reboot and friends with links to /bin/systemd.
>
>
>>> > Third, NetworkManager (version 0.8) also calls OpenRC, but in this
>>> > case it does hardcoded. In src/backends/NetworkManagerGentoo.c, it
>>> > calls /etc/init.d/net.lo status to check if the lo interface is up. It
>>> > would be nice to write a patch for NetworkManager with a configure
>>> > option "--with-distro=systemd".
>>>
>>> Or use ConnMan, as it is faster and simpler ;-)
>>
>> A lot of us don't like ConnMan for a lot of good reasons (i.e. it does
>> not work for our use cases.)  It also seems to be a dead-end of
>> development and constantly plays catch-up for NetworkManager.  So, we
>> can get this resolved in the NetworkManager ebuild to work and we should
>> be fine.
>
> I disagree with that, but pointless to debate it here.
>
>
>> But you don't have to worry about it if you don't use it, no need to put
>> extra work on you :)
>
> sure.
>
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> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
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