[systemd-devel] [Linux-ima-user] [PATCH 2/2] main: added support for loading IMA custom policies

Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbieri at profusion.mobi
Thu Feb 16 06:30:31 PST 2012

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu at polito.it> wrote:
> On 02/16/2012 05:56 AM, Michael Cassaniti wrote:
>> On 16/02/2012 04:12, Roberto Sassu wrote:
>>> On 02/15/2012 05:55 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Roberto
>>>> Sassu<roberto.sassu at polito.it> wrote:
>>>>> On 02/15/2012 03:30 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Roberto
>>>>>> Sassu<roberto.sassu at polito.it> wrote:
>>>>>>> The new function ima_setup() loads an IMA custom policy from a
>>>>>>> file in the
>>>>>>> default location '/etc/sysconfig/ima-policy', if present, and
>>>>>>> writes it to
>>>>>> isn't /etc/sysconfig too specific to Fedora?
>>>>> Hi Gustavo
>>>>> probably yes. I see the code in 'src/locale-setup.c' where the
>>>>> the configuration directory depends on the target distribution.
>>>>> I can implement something like that in my patch.
>>>> Can't IMA be changed? Lennart seems to be pushing for distribution
>>>> independent location files. If you can get IMA people to agree on
>>>> something, just use this one instead.
>>>> People that use IMA with systemd must use this location. Eventually
>>>> this will happen with every configuration file we support.
>>> The location of the policy file is not IMA dependent. I chose that
>>> because it seemed to me the right place where to put this file.
>>> So, i can easily modify the location to be distribution independent
>>> but i don't known which directory would be appropriate.
>>> Any proposal?
>>> Regards
>>> Roberto Sassu
>>>>>> Also, I certainly have no such things in my system and see no point in
>>>>>> calling ima_setup() on it. Or even compiling the source file in such
>>>>>> case.
>>>>> Ok. I can enclose the code in ima-setup.c within an 'ifdef HAVE_IMA'
>>>>> statement, as it happens for SELinux. However an issue is that there
>>>>> is no a specific package for IMA that can be checked to set the
>>>>> HAVE_IMA
>>>>> definition to yes. Instead, the code can be enabled for example by
>>>>> adding the parameter '--enable_ima' in the configure script.
>>>> okay.
>>>> --
>>>> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
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>> I'm under the impression this function belongs to a userspace tool. If
>> not then I just don't see a good reason that this patch is required. I
>> do understand that the IMA policy should be loaded as early as possible,
>> but I believe that early userspace scripts should be doing that work. If
>> it is a userspace function, then whatever makes you happy, other
>> distro's will roll their own.
> Thanks Mimi for your contribution. I just want to add some
> considerations.
> Hi Michael
> the reason for which the loading of IMA policies has been placed in
> the main Systemd executable is that the measurement process performed
> by IMA should start as early as possible. Otherwise, in order to build
> the 'chain of trust' during the boot process from the BIOS to software
> applications, it is required to measure those components loaded before
> IMA is initialized with other means (for example from the boot loader).
> The more the IMA initialization is postponed, greater is the number of
> components that must be measured using the second way. For instance,
> if the policy loading is done in a userspace script you have to measure
> the interpreter and the configuration files read by the latter.
> Since the policy loading can be implemented in different ways depending
> on the init system (systemd, upstart, ...), an user must identify the
> components to be measured for each case. Instead, if the IMA policy is
> loaded in the main Systemd executable, only this file must be measured
> by the boot loader.

Then I wonder: why not make an ima-init binary that:
  - does ima_setup()
  - exec systemd || upstart || ...

this way you only have to audit this very small file and not systemd
itself, it's very early and so on.

Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
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