[systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader

[Michael Biebl]

2014-05-30 6:02 GMT+02:00 Greg KH <gregkh at linuxfoundation.org>:
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 05:00:34AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 07:51:29PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 04:41:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> > > 2014-05-30 4:32 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl <mbiebl at gmail.com>:
>> > > > 2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH <gregkh at linuxfoundation.org>:
>> > > >
>> > > >> You update systemd but you don't update the kernel?  How does that make
>> > > >> any sense?
>> > > >
>> > > > There might be very valid reasons why you need to stick with the old
>> > > > kernel. As said, one example could be that the new one simply doesn't
>> > > > boot. Requiring lock-step upgrades makes the system less
>> > > > fault-tolerant.
>> > > > So where possible this should be avoided.
>> > >
>> > > What I'm trying to say here is: let's rip this code out once all
>> > > stable distros out there in the wild ship a kernel with builti-in
>> > > firmware loader support, but please not before.
>> >
>> > What is "all"?
>> >
>> > Do we really have to wait 10+ years just because some random disto
>> > doesn't want to update their kernel?
>> >
>> > Since when does systemd care about what random distros do?
>> It should. I'd hardly call Debian a random distro.
>
> It's a slow moving distro.  If it takes 5 years for their next stable
> release, why should we be forced to maintain code that no one else uses?

As a responsible and serious upstream project I expect us to not
gratiously break our downstream users, especially if it can be easily
avoided.
And as already said, the maintenance cost is basically zero.


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