[systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] sysusers.d: split files to cope with split packages.

[Lennart Poettering]

On Tue, 07.10.14 04:54, Barbieri, Gustavo (gustavo.barbieri at intel.com) wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lennart Poettering [mailto:lennart at poettering.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:19 AM
> > To: Barbieri, Gustavo
> > Cc: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek; systemd-devel at lists.freedesktop.org
> > Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] sysusers.d: split files to
> > cope with split packages.
> > 
> > On Tue, 30.09.14 14:44, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > (gustavo.barbieri at intel.com) wrote:
> > 
> > > > systemd-timesyncd is ~400kb. Other binaries aren't too big
> > > > either. Splitting everything up complicated things, and I'm not
> > convinced
> > > > that this is a useful change.
> > >
> > > indeed they are not big per se, but see my other email about
> > tmpfiles,
> > > they contribute to a misinterpretation of systemd. since they are
> > > optional I want to make that clear and help the user to choose.
> > >
> > > I do have a complete set of packages for yocto that generates that
> > > nicely and the final system size difference is huge: 7.5 to 30Mb
> > > (whole system, not just systemd, but the dependencies, etc -- in
> > > contrast sysvinit + busybox is 6.5Mb).
> > >
> > > as I wrote in the other email, I'll make sure that some packages
> > are
> > > highly recommended (ie: journal, udev, sysctl...), but forcing
> > 
> > We don't support builds without journal or udev. We simply don't.
> 
> I'm not trying to build without, just running without. Actually I'm
> not using any of --disable-SERVICE_OR_DAEMON, I build with all of
> them and let the user install or not the package -- thus the need
> for different *files* :-)

Well, no, we don't support that either. (With one exception: on
systems that have no physical devices -- i.e. containers -- we skip
udev.)

> > Yes, timesyncd should definitely be optional, and so should
> > resolved,
> > that's true. I'd be OK with splitting those out on
> > tmpfiles/sysusers,
> > but would really prefer this to be done via m4, rather than in
> > seperate files.
> 
> As per above, I don't want to build without, rather build with all
> and just package them in separate. In the recommended setup users
> will get all they need. Just in cases where they remove (blacklist)
> the "systemd-services-essential" they can run without those
> (tmpfiles, sysusers...), I guess the name makes it clear they are
> not something to mess with if you are unsure.
> 
> Please help, this will be for good. The m4 macros just makes the
> build system and packaging more difficult. It would only be useful
> for systems like Gentoo.

I'd be willing to merge a patch that splits this up for resolved,
timesyncd. But not for udev or journald, sorry.

Lennart

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Lennart Poettering, Red Hat