[systemd-devel] Splitting sd-boot from systemd/bootctl for enabling sd-boot in Fedora

[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 10:30 AM Lennart Poettering
<lennart at poettering.net> wrote:
>
> On Fr, 06.05.22 10:12, Wols Lists (antlists at youngman.org.uk) wrote:
>
> > On 27/04/2022 14:53, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > I think we systematically disagree on one point here: I am pretty sure
> > > picking a boot loader is genuinely someting a distro should be doing,
> > > and not the admin really. I mean, yes, I personally of course switched
> > > away from Fedora's default choice of grub to use sd-boot, and of
> > > course I'd prefer if it wasn't such a mess to do so. But also: we
> > > should not advertise this as something people should actually do and
> > > should make easy to do.
> >
> > EXCEPT. The boot loader loads the distro. An OS has no say in the computer's
> > choice of BIOS/EFI because that's what starts the distro. Same for boot
> > loader.
> >
> > There's a whole bunch of comments on LWN at the moment comparing computers
> > to "cattle or pet". For "cattle", yep if the distro chooses the boot loader
> > who cares.
> >
> > But for "pet"s (like my computer), (a) I'm going to need more hand-holding
> > because I'm not a professional sys-admin, and (b) my system is multi-boot -
> > it's bad enough with distros squabbling over who has control of grub.cfg,
> > without them also squabbling over whether it's grub, systemd-bootd, rEFInd,
> > LILO, whatever whatever.
>
> I am pretty sure the answer to this is not to make choice of boot
> loaders configurable, but making them adhere to a common definition
> how boot menu entries are defined, so that it doesn't matter which
> boot loader you are using, the menu items pop up correctly either way.
>
> i.e. if boot loaders would all implement
> https://systemd.io/BOOT_LOADER_SPECIFICATION then there would be a
> very clear way how without trampling on each other's feet multi-boot
> would work...
>

Has there been a campaign to get them to do it? Any outreach? Posting
a page on the internet doesn't exactly do anything to get people to
adopt a spec.



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