<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:34 PM Alberto Salvia Novella <<a href="mailto:es20490446e@gmail.com">es20490446e@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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--- THE REAL QUESTIONS ---<br>
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The questions here are:<br>
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- Why is the graphical-session targets inactive by default on my
system?<br>
- How should a unit part of the graphical session be started?<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This was sort of explained previously, but to rephrase it a bit: it seems that graphical-session.target is a sort of "proxy" for the main session, primarily for window manager authors?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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--- TOO IMPLICIT ---<br>
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You have to know that I'm helping someone else getting their daemon
running on SystemD. As even when <a href="https://github.com/agalakhov/xiccd/issues/20" target="_blank">he</a> has
long experience coding in Linux, he hasn't been able to figure it
out himself.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>*cough cough* systemd *cough cough* Also, that doesn't seem to be a case where there was really any confusion?</div><div><br></div><div>That being said, what you're really looking for (using systemd user services as a replacement for XDG autostart) is going to be coming soon: <a href="https://blogs.gnome.org/laney/2018/06/26/starting-sessions-with-systemd/">https://blogs.gnome.org/laney/2018/06/26/starting-sessions-with-systemd/</a></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Take it as a warn that the SystemD operation, even when simple,
isn't explicit enough.<br>
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Also the <a href="https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html" target="_blank">units
manual</a> is very descriptive, but not very practical. For
example the "Section Options" is somehow confusing. It would be
better typed in a more schematic way, rather than in a paragraph.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why did you start with the man pages, though? 🤔 They're intended to be used as a reference manual, not an introduction. For that, you should see the systemd for Administrators blog series: <a href="https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/#thesystemdforadministratorsblogseries">https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/#thesystemdforadministratorsblogseries</a></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
It should start with the simplest user cases, and compose on them.
It should serve the goal, not the <span style="color:rgb(16,16,16);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">taxonomy.</span><br>
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--- CONCLUSION ---<br>
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I can talk with whoever is needed to have these things working
smoothly, but I need to know what's the missing piece of the puzzle:
why these targets are staying inactive. Because nobody except you
seems to know.<br>
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Otherwise we could only but assume that graphical-session targets
are a joke, and start using the default target for graphical
services.<br>
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