<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The only tools I know of that manage the files in /etc/pki are part of “ca-certificates” and they only manage the CAs, not general app specific public/private keys.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And even so, command line tools aren’t APIs.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The prime reason you want an actual API that’s widely available is it encourages other solution providers to leverage it.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Again, the CAPI/CNG API in Windows Is an example.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">You can very easily manage all kinds of key management via a central API, and in turn, you can then leverage that infrastructure in other tools.<br> <br> What I would then like to see is an engine for OpenSSL be able to leverage this and then have access to the keychain infrastructure without the file management involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This is something you can do with OpenSSL on Windows via the CAPI engine (or other API solutions that have their own engine solution in OpenSSL), for instance.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Since most secure products in Linux use OpenSSL, this almost immediately would also give them access to a centrally managed keystore.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That’s what I would like to see.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Barry Scott <barry@barrys-emacs.org> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 25, 2022 1:30 PM<br> <b>To:</b> SCOTT FIELDS <Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com><br> <b>Cc:</b> systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org<br> <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [systemd-devel] certificate and trust store feature for systemd<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">On 25 May 2022, at 19:22, SCOTT FIELDS <<a href="mailto:Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com">Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com</a>> wrote: If you’re referring to files in /etc/pki, that’s not a management API, like CAPI or CNG provides in Windows (and a like API in OSX). There are tools that you run <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 25 May 2022, at 19:22, SCOTT FIELDS <<a href="mailto:Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com">Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If you’re referring to files in /etc/pki, that’s not a management API, like CAPI or CNG provides in Windows (and a like API in OSX).</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There are tools that you run that manage the files. Sorry I do not have the details in front of me.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The tools are the API at least for trust store from what I recall when I set it up.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There’s a keychain solution in Gnome (GNOME/Keyring) but not widely adopted that I’ve seen.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I use KDE and the kwallet is used in most apps I use. If there is an app in gnome that is not using the keyring<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">then that a problem with the app surely, not the API?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This just seems a good match to have available within systemd</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I do not speak for systemd, just curious about why you think this is needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Barry Scott <<a href="mailto:barry@barrys-emacs.org">barry@barrys-emacs.org</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 25, 2022 1:16 PM<br> <b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>SCOTT FIELDS <<a href="mailto:Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com">Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org">systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL] Re: [systemd-devel] certificate and trust store feature for systemd</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">On 25 May 2022, at 14:06, SCOTT FIELDS <<a href="mailto:Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com">Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com</a>> wrote: I apologize for the very general inquiry. Are there any plans to have system natively support its own trust store for items like CAs, x509 certs, passwords &</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 25 May 2022, at 14:06, SCOTT FIELDS <<a href="mailto:Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com">Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I apologize for the very general inquiry.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Are there any plans to have system natively support its own trust store for items like CAs, x509 certs, passwords & truststores akin to the keychain in Windows and OS X?</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">But these are solved problems on modern Linux systems aren't they?</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">At least with RHEL and Fedora they have trust store and keychains.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I still find the management of PKIs in /etc/pki to be problematic.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">For my home network I have my own DNS domain and CA setup. It was easy to add the CA to</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Fedora's trust store.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Having this available as a core service within systemd using like APIs either in (mostly deprecated) CAPI or the new CNG</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Barry</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Scott Fields</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">IBM/Kyndryl</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">SRE – BNSF</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">817-593-5038 (BNSF)</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:scott.fields@kyndryl.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">scott.fields@kyndryl.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:scott.fields@bnsf.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">scott.fields@bnsf.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </body> </html>