<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I've done the same, and even written some policy kit examples.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> But it's difficult to surmise all the 'deltas' from 'sudo', and thus why having some form of documentation from the team delivering this would help countless others.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> In the case of 'run0', does appear it really is layering upon what "pkexec' already provides, but without any great level of details other than what Leanard Poettering announced in a chat.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> And y, if 'polkit' development views this a superior/more secure alternative to 'sudo', perhaps the docs I'd like to see should come from that area.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thanks.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Barry Scott <barry@barrys-emacs.org><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 27, 2025 4:32 AM<br> <b>To:</b> SCOTT FIELDS <Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com><br> <b>Cc:</b> Nils Kattenbeck <nilskemail@gmail.com>; Systemd <systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org><br> <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [systemd-devel] Documentation on 'run0' command in Systemd >256</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div style="display:none!important; display:none; visibility:hidden; font-size:1px; color:#ffffff; line-height:1px; height:0px; max-height:0px; opacity:0; overflow:hidden"> On 26 Jun 2025, at 17: 58, SCOTT FIELDS <Scott. Fields@ kyndryl. com> wrote: I never said it was a drop-in replacement. But if the goal is to use this instead of "sudo", some migration documentation would help quite a bit. I know the implementation</div> <div style="display:none!important; display:none; visibility:hidden; font-size:1px; color:#ffffff; line-height:1px; max-height:0px; opacity:0; overflow:hidden"> </div> <style>  </style><br id="x_lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"> <div><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>On 26 Jun 2025, at 17:58, SCOTT FIELDS <Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com> wrote:</div> <br class="x_Apple-interchange-newline"> <div> <div class="x_elementToProof" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> I never said it was a drop-in replacement.</div> <div class="x_elementToProof" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br> </div> <div class="x_elementToProof" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> But if the goal is to use this instead of "sudo", some migration documentation would help quite a bit.</div> <div class="x_elementToProof" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br> </div> <div class="x_elementToProof" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> I know the implementation will not work with current "sudoers" configurations, nor will it ever per comments from Leonard Poettering.</div> <div class="x_elementToProof" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br> </div> <div class="x_elementToProof" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> But the current documentation I find lacking in how to perform the same functions I'm already doing with "sudo".</div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>It's on my TODO list workout how to move from sudo to run0 as well.</div> <div>The lack of how-to docs has held me back as well.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I've got as far as knowing that I need to learn about writing polkit rules to allow run0 to replace sudo.</div> <div>To that end looking at pkexec and it's docs is the way into this world I think.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Barry</div> <div><br> </div> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div id="x_appendonsend" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:13px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none"> </div> <hr tabindex="-1" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:13px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; display:inline-block; width:658.546875px"> <span style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:13px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important"></span> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:13px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none"> <font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nils Kattenbeck <<a href="mailto:nilskemail@gmail.com">nilskemail@gmail.com</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 26, 2025 11:50 AM<br> <b>To:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>SCOTT FIELDS <<a href="mailto:Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com">Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Systemd <<a href="mailto:systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org">systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL] Re: [systemd-devel] Documentation on 'run0' command in Systemd >256</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="x_BodyFragment" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:13px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none"> <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <div class="x_PlainText">run0 is not a drop-in replacement for sudo in every case. It works<br> inherently different but therein lies its strength (but also its<br> weaknesses). For allowing only specific commands you will need to look<br> into setting up polkit rules because that is what run0 uses in the<br> back to check if running the command should be allowed.<br> <br> Cheers, Nils<br> <br> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 11:30 PM SCOTT FIELDS <<a href="mailto:Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com">Scott.Fields@kyndryl.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > 'run0' is defined as a better 'sudo', though the documentation I see is a bit sparse.<br> ><br> > Is documentation regarding how to get similiar function from 'run0' as you can in a sudo configuration file present anywhere?<br> ><br> > Primary issue is restricting access to specific users and commands.<br> ><br> > The latter is the what I see not really documented.<br> ><br> > And more specifically, how to specify "wildcard" formatted commands, if currently possible at all, directly.<br> ><br> > Essentially, more a porting guide for moving an existing 'sudo' configuration to the new 'run0' infrastructure.<br> ><br> > Scott Fields<br> > Kyndryl</div> </span></font></div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </body> </html>