[Tango-artists] Tango icon for Phatch

[Cube]

Hello Stani, I'll forward this message to the Tango mailing list, I hope this is O.K.

Yours, Jakub.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com] 
Sent: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2008 23:09
To: Cube
Subject: RE: Tango icon for Phatch

Op dinsdag 20-05-2008 om 22:45 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Cube:
> Ah, whatever, take GPL & CC-by.
Thanks! So please in the mails with which you'll send me icons, mention
you dual-license them for me as GPL and CC-by.
> 
> Igor = ? 
I've emailed him already. I don't want to rush this as this is very
delicate for me. I feel a bit bad that I will quit his work. I really
hope that you'll be able to make all necessary icons for Phatch. If
necessary, I know other members of the Tango team are also interested.
If I go to the tango page, I can see again who they are:
- Hylke Bons
- Kalle Persson
- Andreas Nilsson

So I hope we can go for a very nice Phatch 0.2 release. Today I have
been working on the new backend in order to interface Phatch with other
graphic programs such as imagemagick (that has so many possiblities),
gimp (but maybe I want to wait for pygegl), uniconvertor, blender, ...
First I need to get the architecture ready. This is a huge task.
Afterwards I will start with imagemagick. This should be for sure in
0.2, the rest I will see how time permits.

Best,
Stani

> 
> Yours, Jakub.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2008 22:41
> To: Cube
> Subject: RE: Tango icon for Phatch
> 
> Op dinsdag 20-05-2008 om 21:59 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Cube:
> > Oh, sorry for double-mailing, 
> No problem ;-)
> > but i'd prefer by-sa, because then you have in the license that you must share it with a comparable license.
> This would mean I can only relicense my (parts of) my software under the
> GPL or the CC by-sa license. Unfortunately this is not useful for me. I
> can only accept dual licensed GPL & CC-by artwork.
> I hope this is not a problem for you.
> 
> Stani
> > 
> > Yours, Jakub.
> > 
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2008 15:54
> > To: Cube
> > Subject: RE: Tango icon for Phatch
> > 
> > No, not at all. I want to able to embed the icons in gpl code and I want
> > to be able myself (not others) to republish that code in another license
> > as the gpl, which won't be public domain. What would be enough for me is
> > that you dual license the icons with:
> > - gpl
> > - Creative Commons Attribution (by)
> > Does this makes sense?
> > Stani
> > 
> > Op dinsdag 20-05-2008 om 15:34 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Cube:
> > > So basically you want me to create all the icons, make them GPL but allow anyone else to take them and change the license to Public Domain?
> > > 
> > > Yours, Jakub.
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com] 
> > > Sent: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2008 14:55
> > > To: Cube
> > > Subject: RE: Tango icon for Phatch
> > > 
> > > Op dinsdag 20-05-2008 om 14:30 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Cube:
> > > > Hey Stani,
> > > > 
> > > > perhaps I expressed myself a bit wrong, I'll change them, but the metaphor stays.
> > > Ok
> > > > 
> > > > You're right with everything else you wrote, but I actually don't want them to be public domain. Did Igor release them as public domain?
> > > Igor gave me the right to publish them under any license I want,
> > > including public domain. Most artwork of Phatch is embedded in the
> > > source code so that for example actions, which are plugins, can be
> > > limited to just one file. As you can see for yourself I add a copyright
> > > notice of the icon author in every source file of the action and I
> > > specify it as well in the COPYING section. Moreover I include all source
> > > svg's in the tarball, in which the metadata mentions the license and the
> > > author. Finally in the Help>About dialog box, I also mention all
> > > designers. So don't worry about credits, you'll get plenty. Tell me
> > > which license you prefer. I just need it is compatible with the facts
> > > that:
> > > - I can embed the icons in source files
> > > - These source files will always be available under the GPL, but I have
> > > the right to republish them under any other license
> > > 
> > > Stani
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Yours, Jakub.
> > > > 
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com] 
> > > > Sent: Montag, 19. Mai 2008 23:34
> > > > To: Jakub Szypulka
> > > > Subject: Re: Tango icon for Phatch
> > > > 
> > > > Op maandag 19-05-2008 om 21:05 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Jakub
> > > > Szypulka:
> > > > > Yep, alright, I'll wait.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm used to not really change the icons but "tangofy" them a bit, so the
> > > > > general idea stays.
> > > > I think we should look how the other existing tango icons look like and
> > > > design all in the same style. For example Igor (current designer) has
> > > > all the icons in a 3d axonometry. If all other tango icons are flat than
> > > > it would probably be better to have them all flat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sure I'd be interested in contributing to PiTiVi! I'd just need the
> > > > > usual stuff: Icon names and sizes.
> > > > Great. I've put a proposal I want to work on the Pitivi wiki. I am still
> > > > waiting for approval:
> > > > http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/FrameSeekingSeeking
> > > > 
> > > > Do you know by any chance someone who is good with creating custom GTK
> > > > controls so as for the jog control in the wiki page above?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I must say the Live preview instead of icons idea sounds really great, I
> > > > > could even imagine having the preview to the right (instead of current
> > > > > icon position), text in the middle and an icon to the right! What do you
> > > > > think?
> > > > Haha, you seem to have the courage to go for all the icons. About your
> > > > proposal, well it depends. If I go for the rhythmbox interface, you
> > > > would get three columns instead of one now:
> > > > category | program | action
> > > > 
> > > > category is: colours, border, transform ...
> > > > program is: PIL, Imagemagick, Gimp, Blender ...
> > > > action is: scale, round corners, ...
> > > > 
> > > > I think you get the idea: compared to music ... category replaces genre,
> > > > program replaces artist and action replaces album/song. So it would eat
> > > > too much space to use both an icon and a preview. The preview could
> > > > however be a roll-over effect.
> > > > 
> > > > Would it be possible to license the icons as public domain so they can
> > > > be part of the openclipart library?
> > > > 
> > > > Stani
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jakub
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 21:00 +0200, Stani Michiels wrote:
> > > > > > Op maandag 19-05-2008 om 20:09 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Jakub
> > > > > > Szypulka:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I need a lot more icons for the actions inside Phatch. Also right now I
> > > > > > > > will work on Phatch 0.2 which will need probably some changes in the
> > > > > > > > interface and some extra art work.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yes, I'd be really interested in creating all icons in Tango. 
> > > > > > That would be awesome.
> > > > > > > Although
> > > > > > > Phatch has some unique icons (like many "Action" icons, which it would
> > > > > > > be a pleasure to create), there are already many icons created by other
> > > > > > > Tango artists and I think it would be a better idea to simply take them.
> > > > > > Of course, I don't want you to recreate icons which exists already. This
> > > > > > could distribute the workload. Also some other tango icon designers
> > > > > > showed interest as well, but haven't contacted me so far and I don't
> > > > > > know their names.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So to answer your question, if you only plan to replace the Phatch icon,
> > > > > > > > I am not so interested. If you would be willing to work on the artwork
> > > > > > > > of Phatch as a whole which involves many more icons, it is a different
> > > > > > > > story. In that case I could contact you later when I know better what
> > > > > > > > you need.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It's important for me to know which sizes you need, as I need to create
> > > > > > > every icon e.g. four times if you need four sizes (that doesn't mean I
> > > > > > > don't want many sizes, it's just that I need to know what you need so
> > > > > > > that I don't work for nothing).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So, what I'd need right now, is what icons you need and which sizes
> > > > > > > each.
> > > > > > Well in the current version of Phatch, I only need the action icons as
> > > > > > 48x48 and as svg. But don't start working on it yet. There are two
> > > > > > issues:
> > > > > > - first I want to talk to Igor, who is the current icon designer but has
> > > > > > a lack of time. I really value every contributions and I want to handle
> > > > > > this in a nice way. How much you would change his icons? Just the
> > > > > > colours a bit?
> > > > > > - second: as I said things will change in Phatch 0.2. For example there
> > > > > > will be many more actions as it will expose (some) actions based on
> > > > > > imagemagick, Gimp and others... So I probably want to organise the
> > > > > > actions in an rhytmbox like interface where the graphic programs are the
> > > > > > rockstars ;-) Because I was afraid that there would be too many actions
> > > > > > to create icons for, I was considering replacing icons with a preview
> > > > > > image of a fixed source image.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So I need to have this clear before you start working. I hope you
> > > > > > understand.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Would you also be interested in contributing icons for pitivi? As there
> > > > > > are no icons for video editing (eg frame seeking). Right now music
> > > > > > players icons are used and that is problematic.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks a lot,
> > > > > > Stani
> > > > > > 
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