<html> <head> <base href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/"> </head> <body> <div> <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEEDINFO " title="NEEDINFO - Button areas on Lenovo Thinkpad W540" href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99212#c8">Comment # 8</a> on <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEEDINFO " title="NEEDINFO - Button areas on Lenovo Thinkpad W540" href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99212">bug 99212</a> from <a class="email" href="mailto:schmidt@boomshop.net" title="Markus Schmidt <schmidt@boomshop.net>"> Markus Schmidt</a> <pre>Hey Peter, (In reply to Peter Hutterer from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=99212#c7">comment #7</a>) > Exposing the full button configuration is something I'm very hesitant to > expose, especially for what is now 3 year old hardware. Plus, options fix it > on exactly one machine and then spread like an STD across forums, half the > time without the users knowing what they actually set. So I'm looking for > something that improves the touchpad for every user with a simple update. >From my understanding as UX/UI dev both (extreme) ways is a can of worms: * I'm not aware of any slightly complex interaction scheme where "one button fits all" i.e. "one config fits all" works. One might make things usable for lots of people in a "WFM" manner but it always stays behind users expectations or technical capabilities. * OTOH handing out every configurable value might lead to lots of support but raises the need for a) mature manuals and/or b) a more or less self-explaining user interface. I guess the paragraph I quoted in the initial report doesn't come out of nothing so it seems you were already facing lots of requests about at least some configuration. I fully understand your reservation against letting users fuck up their input devices by altering some random values in a text file - but. What about a helpful, easy-to-use, restriction-aware _graphical_ user interface for configuring libinput? I don't mean a couple of meaningless faders or numerical values but something like I did with e.g. xplanetFX ( <a href="https://youtu.be/x9SyYLu_M6M">https://youtu.be/x9SyYLu_M6M</a> ) or WifiRadar ( <a href="http://bit.ly/2irXgvY">http://bit.ly/2irXgvY</a> ) I would love to offer my help in this topic and to build a GUI for configuring the users-most-wanted settings of libinput. This way * total noobs would still be able to use libinput the OSFA-way * pro users with the need of having a custom configuration could easily tweak some of the most demanded values via a (restricted) GUI without the jeopardy of making their input devices unusable (preventing from lots of support requests) and * hardcore users would still be able to fuck up their systems intendedly by tweaking a text file > there are a few options we have here: we could make the buttons bigger while > the trackpoint is in use and for longer afterwards. This would avoid the > issue with pointer movement but may still have the left button out of reach > for you. And from what I gather, the issue isn't so much that you're missing > the middle/right button areas but rather that you can't left-click (without > pointer movement) below those buttons - that's really what you need, right? > > If so, then extending the timeout to include most of the northern part of > the touchpad for palm detection for longer should fix that. It's not the > same as your configuration (buttons would remain the same size) but you can > now click below them to trigger left-clicks. After using libinput for a couple of weeks now I still find myself e.g. closing tabs in my browser while I only wanted to scroll down (I'm using firegestures), hammering on my clickpad cause it doesn't react (note to myself: LIFT THE THUMB FIRST, IDIOT!) or opening menus on my desktop instead of switching to the next one. So trying to fiddle with timeouts or other settings might make it a bit more usable to myself but - everyone has different fingers/hands/wrists/touch-/clickpads - so possibly it makes things worse for others. So for my clickpad the button zones don't fit the marked ones on the hardware, and if they would they would still be quite uncomfortable for my work. So I would like to finish with a possibly controversial statement - what I love *most* on Linux is the fact that normally everything is tweak-able to the users needs. You don't like something? Open a terminal and change the configuration. I really don't understand e.g. the Gnome3 way - strip off every single button/menu entry/config to force the user to use the software *their* way. I love to have (hidden if you like) choices. Thanks for still taking care of my needs, best Markus</pre> </div> <hr> You are receiving this mail because: <ul> <li>You are the assignee for the bug.</li> </ul> </body> </html>