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I thought the compositor would/could provide decoration. the compositors are
after all their own projects as wayland is a protocol, and if you haven't
noticed, most metacity/emrald themes are just a set of pictures, would it be
bad if the compositor had the ability to handle images from files? i don't
think that compositor handled decorations would be too much. this is
something else that could be handled by a flag.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Sam Spilsbury <smspillaz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Client Side Decorations still have the fundamental problem that when
> the client locks up, you're no longer able to close windows.
>
> A better solution is to have the compositor put each client in their
> own sub-compositor and have it draw the background of the window. This
> way you get the consistency of having each window have the same
> decorations, the client can shove whatever it wants in the decoration
> area (since its window effectively starts at 0x00 and when the client
> locks up, you're still able to do basic window management tasks on the
> client.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:58 PM,  <maltee at lavabit.com> wrote:
> > First of all, especially after reading through the mailing list for a
> bit,
> > I think Wayland is an amazing project and I want to thank everyone
> > contributing to it! Keep up the great work!
> >
> > I used to be against Client Side Decorations, but after reading through
> > the mailing list, I'm starting to think this might actually be the way to
> > go. But one (imho important) question remains unanswered: How are we
> going
> > to maintain uniformity amongst decorations? My concern is rather the
> feel,
> > than the look. Application windows look different anyway, but with X, all
> > titlebars (with very few exceptions, such as chromium) look and behave
> > roughly the same. Button orders of applications being different would
> have
> > a huge impact on usability, even button sizes and exact positions is
> > something to worry about. On a GTK+ based Desktop you probably want GTK+
> > based window decorations. Qt applications will probably integrate the
> look
> > and feel, so this won't be a problem. But what about applications that
> > don't use a specific toolkit, such as games or X for wayland? I see no
> > way, those would actually start using one of the major toolkits instead
> > (which would be a very bad idea). Should everyone start implementing
> their
> > own decorations, resulting in a decoration chaos? We definitely need some
> > standard.
> > Mac OS X and Windows don't have this problem because they each have a
> > default toolkit most of the other available toolkits try to wrap/emulate.
> > On Linux we have to deal with the advantages and disadvantages of variety
> > with no standard. Inconsistency of decorations is nothing we should take
> > for inevitable.
> >
> > Unfortunatly, I don't understand much of the subject, I might be talking
> > rubbish, so please bear with me: My general idea is to define some sort
> of
> > plugin API for decorations. Toolkits/Applications can provide their own
> > decoration plugin which is used unless overridden and would integrate
> well
> > with the application window. There might be a very simple default
> > decoration provided by wayland. Applications can allow to replace their
> > own decoration with something else (or test the desktops default for
> > functionality and decide whether they want to use their own or not).
> > Decorations can interact with Applications on ABI basis rather than
> > protocol basis.
> > + Decorations would integrate well with application windows for the
> > majority of applications on the desktop
> > + All decorations will have the same look&feel (with few exceptions)
> > + Applications that do not use a specific toolkit would not have to
> > implement their own decorations
> > + Applications that want to do something fancy, like tabs (chromium) in
> > the decoration can do so by extending the toolkit's decoration plugin so
> > they will have something that looks similar to many other applications
> and
> > they don't need to reinvent the wheel.
> > + People who want something special can write their own decorations, just
> > like people write their own window managers now.
> >
> > Maybe Client Side Decorations are the way to go, but not before the
> > consistency issue is solved!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Malte E.
> >
> >
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