[PATCH libinput 0/24] Tablet support
Chandler Paul
thatslyude at gmail.com
Wed May 21 22:17:56 PDT 2014
Hi! Sorry this took so long to write, I've been spending a lot of my
time recently trying to understand the libinput code and all of that
good stuff, and I wanted to make sure I had a decent understanding of it
before I actually wrote up a response.
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 19:11 +0200, Carlos Garnacho wrote:
> Hey there!,
>
> Here's a few patches to have libinput handle events from tablets,
> these devices are basically pointer devices, with a varying range
> of extra buttons (either stylus or "pad" buttons), and extra ABS_*
> axes. These devices also often offer information about the stylus
> in use, and its BTN_TOOL_* codes.
>
> So I've gone for reusing and extending libinput_event_pointer, adding
> extra libinput_pointer_axis values, and adding an "axis_frame" event
> to mark the end of a set of simultaneous axis changes, and a "tool_update"
> event to mark tool changes (and delimit proximity). These features are
> only triggered if a new LIBINPUT_DEVICE_CAP_STYLUS capability is set.
I'm with Peter on splitting these up. It seems kind of inconsistent with
the rest of libinput (with what I've gathered, anyway). A
tablet-specific event sounds interesting too, but I feel like
compressing all of the axis changes into. For now I'm going to work on
having all the axis changes reported as separate POINTER_AXIS events.
>
> Caveats:
>
> * Many of these devices have also tactile strips or wheels, but these are
> unhandled so far... On the devices I've got available for testing, current
> kernel support seems varyingly inconsistent:
>
> - One device has 2 strips, which report on ABS_RX/RY (radial??). Min/max
> are 0..4096, but the reported values are 1,2,4,8,16... So effectively
> a log2 scale, or more graphically a bit shifting over a bunch of 0s,
> which is somewhat more resembling to the physical action on the strip.
Since I'm on a deadline for this and making changes to this in the
kernel would take too long, I don't think I'm going to advocate for
changing this behavior right now. Although I do agree that eventually it
should be changed. Graphically, a bit moving across a field like that
makes sense, but I think that would be a difficult value to make
practical use of in an application without changing it to a simple 1-13
value. If I get far enough that I can start implementing support for
tactile strips and all those other fancy features some of these tablets
have I might have it convert the values for tactile strips like that to
something more usable by default and leave the other axes as-is. I'm
curious to hear Ping and Jason's opinion on this though, and what kind
of advantages
> - Another device has one wheel, reported through ABS_WHEEL. Even though
> min/max are reported as [0..1023], on interaction it goes [0..71] (funky
> range too)
>
> We could just forward this as-is, but seems hindering enough to do anything
> useful with those unless that behavior is corrected.
>
> When supported, IMO it'd make sense to have those axes behave similar to
> scroll axes, so the axis value increments or decrements depending on the
> direction. I'm not sure if there would be cases where the absolute value
> matters here?
>
> * One thing worth noting is that axes are currently normalized, to [-1..1]
> for stylus tilt, and [0..1] for everything else. I remember Peter's
> tablet wayland protocol proposal basically forwarded input_absinfo, this
> might not be fully compatible with that, although TBH I'm unsure
> clamping/normalization should take place so high in the stack...
I'm with Peter on this actually. If the axes were used for something
else I might approve of normalization in libinput but I think having
absolute values fits more of the use cases for the extra axes found on
many tablets, especially since Ping said that some of Wacom's in-house
applications actually need these. I do think however, that maybe we
should consider clamping axis values with libinput even if we don't
normalize the axes by default.
I've forked libinput and I have a branch where I'm fixing up the patches
Carlos sent in based on the feedback from Peter. You can find it here:
https://github.com/Lyude1337/libinput/tree/carlos_cleanup
The history is messy on this, but once this is ready to get sent in as
actual patches I'll be rebasing the history.
Right now I've removed normalization from my branch, but if someone
brings up a good reason to actually have libinput handle that then I can
revert the change.
Another thing I'm considering regarding this is just having libinput
provide functions/macros for normalizing the values so applications can
normalize the values easily if they want.
The way I see it is that we want to allow all of the axes to be used how
they were meant used. If Wacom isn't normalizing the values in their
in-house applications I don't think we should either. Again though, I'm
curious to hear Ping and Jason's take on the reasoning for their tablets
sending it's data like this.
Cheers,
Lyude
(a.k.a. Stephen Chandler Paul)
> * No filtering/hysteresis of coords is done yet.
>
> Cheers,
> Carlos
>
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