[RFC PATCH 0/8] Meson build system

Pekka Paalanen ppaalanen at gmail.com
Wed Nov 30 10:28:44 UTC 2016

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 10:00:40 +0000
Daniel Stone <daniel at fooishbar.org> wrote:

> Hey Emil,
> Thanks for the detailed reply! :) It's really interesting to hear your
> perspective, especially with Mesa also using SCons.
> On 30 November 2016 at 01:02, Emil Velikov <emil.l.velikov at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Please don't get me wrong, autohell^Wautotools is pretty annoying/etc
> > at times. Yet again I'm more of a person who would aim to improve
> > things before going to plan B.  
> Yeah, generally I agree. That was my point about GNOME/GStreamer also
> being conservative with build systems: neither of us have jumped over
> to any new and fancy build systems before, because the benefits just
> didn't outweigh the disadvantages of doing so. And I think that makes
> total sense, since switching does have a very large cost. For all that
> autotools is a Kafkaesque nightmare, and no-one actually knows how M4
> quoting works, it's well understood by end users who build, by
> distributors and integrators who build, and by developers who work on
> the code. That's a huge thing to be throwing away, and not to be done
> lightly.
> Meson for me is the first system whose advantages actually outweigh
> the disadvantage of losing that. But that being said, I would like the
> two to sit in parallel for a couple of releases; I don't think it
> would make much sense to remove autotools support before 1.16-1.17,
> when we'll have a useful version of Meson in the released version of
> Debian (stretch) and Ubuntu, soon before that also becomes the new
> Ubuntu LTS version. That would give us as developers plenty of time to
> get used to things, and downstream plenty of time to adjust and help
> us discover problems with it.

That's a nice plan - how's the CI for all this? :-)
The very least to point out buggy master even if it can't yet test
patches before they land.

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