<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
        {font-family:Wingdings;
        panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
        {font-family:"Cambria Math";
        panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Calibri;
        panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Aptos;
        panose-1:2 11 0 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Consolas;
        panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
        {margin:0in;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:blue;
        text-decoration:underline;}
pre
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char";
        margin:0in;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:10.0pt;
        font-family:"Courier New";}
p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph
        {mso-style-priority:34;
        margin-top:0in;
        margin-right:0in;
        margin-bottom:0in;
        margin-left:.5in;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;}
span.HTMLPreformattedChar
        {mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char";
        mso-style-priority:99;
        mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted";
        font-family:"Consolas",serif;}
span.EmailStyle21
        {mso-style-type:personal-reply;
        font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;
        color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
        {mso-style-type:export-only;
        font-size:10.0pt;
        mso-ligatures:none;}
@page WordSection1
        {size:8.5in 11.0in;
        margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
        {page:WordSection1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
        {mso-list-id:518660280;
        mso-list-type:hybrid;
        mso-list-template-ids:-1250263302 956612804 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;}
@list l0:level1
        {mso-level-start-at:0;
        mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:Symbol;
        mso-fareast-font-family:Aptos;
        mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
@list l0:level2
        {mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:o;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level3
        {mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level4
        {mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level5
        {mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:o;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level6
        {mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level7
        {mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level8
        {mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:o;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level9
        {mso-level-number-format:bullet;
        mso-level-text:;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;
        font-family:Wingdings;}
ol
        {margin-bottom:0in;}
ul
        {margin-bottom:0in;}
--></style>
</head>
<body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks, understood. I would expect that I need to take some care in allocating a buffer that my DRM driver accepts for writeback, in this usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Do I interpret right that the wlroots screencopy extension wants the client to create a fresh zwlr_screencopy_frame_v1 for each successive frame? I wonder then:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Whether this might lead to the possibility of dropped frames, if the client doesn’t manage to send back the requests to start capture for frame N+1 soon
 enough after the delivery of the copied buffer for frame N; and<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Will the explicit request for each frame via zwlr_screencopy_frame_v1::</span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">copy(), result in artificial redraws to satisfy the request? Ideally I would just like to receive a passive copy of each frame that naturally got drawn by the compositor. Perhaps with one artificial redraw at the very beginning
 of the screencopy stream just to have a defined starting point.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-Matt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Simon Ser <contact@emersion.fr><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 31, 2024 at 10:16 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Andri Yngvason <andri@yngvason.is><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Hoosier, Matt" <Matt.Hoosier@garmin.com>, Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>, "sir@cmpwn.com" <sir@cmpwn.com>, Marius Vlad <marius.vlad@collabora.com>, "wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org" <wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Full-motion zero-copy screen capture in Weston<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">On Friday, May 31st, 2024 at 16:</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">45,
 Simon Ser <contact@</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">emersion.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">fr>
 wrote: > > See: https:</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">//urldefense.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">com/v3/__https:</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">//gitlab.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">freedesktop.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/124__;!!EJc4YC3iFmQ!WaOP607PgstX4CpWrn4DV6X4TIDRrqQW5XEZfczyVDFZdkpmCfNDh0lUQetO5TuCK5ct4NVlCqcAz4-8ehlw$
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Friday, May 31st, 2024 at 16:45, Simon Ser <contact@emersion.fr> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> > See: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/124__;!!EJc4YC3iFmQ!WaOP607PgstX4CpWrn4DV6X4TIDRrqQW5XEZfczyVDFZdkpmCfNDh0lUQetO5TuCK5ct4NVlCqcAz4-8ehlw$">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/124__;!!EJc4YC3iFmQ!WaOP607PgstX4CpWrn4DV6X4TIDRrqQW5XEZfczyVDFZdkpmCfNDh0lUQetO5TuCK5ct4NVlCqcAz4-8ehlw$</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> > <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> > > My goal is to implement this screen capture with a guarantee that the copy comes from a KMS writeback connector. I know this sounds like an odd thing to insist on. Let's say that in my industry, the system is rarely only running Linux directly on the bare metal. Using the writeback hardware on the display controller allows to get a copy of content from all the virtual machines in the system.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> > <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> > Although the protocol is called "screencopy", it does not need to be<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> > implemented via copying. I don't think anything precludes drm<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> > write-back or rendering directly to the client-submitted buffers.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> Not sure that's true… With screencopy the client necessarily provides<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> buffers that the compositor copies into.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Correction: Andri said that it should be possible to pass client-allocated<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">buffers to the writeback connector. There might be allocation considerations<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">to take care of, but it might work fine indeed.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
</div>
</body>
</html>