David Zeuthen david at
Fri Mar 30 14:41:00 PDT 2007

On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 23:19 +0200, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> On pá 30. března 2007, David Zeuthen wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 17:47 +0200, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > > > Well, you could contribute to the discussion, or bash GNOME
> > > > applications. g-p-m uses a lot of libraries, and loads only the
> > > > gobjects for the hardware you have on your system. Try compiling
> > > > without DPMS and see the memory reduction.
> > >
> > >  That's not bashing, that's reality. I'm not going to recompile anything,
> > > because first of all that's a strange way of quitting something I don't
> > > need and second it's not going to help anyway (unless your DPMS
> > > implementation needs 1MB heap). KPowersave is not different, that's part
> > > of today's reality as well. There are good reasons not to run either of
> > > them.
> >
> > This is all very interesting but perhaps it would be a bit more useful
> > if you stayed on topic and gave feedback to the org.fd.PM interface.
>  I thought supporting an opinion did not require one to repeat it, 

I didn't ask you to repeat your opinion; I just thought it was off-topic
to discuss the implementation of g-p-m. Sorry if I didn't make that

> but if you 
> want: Shutdown/Reboot are basic functionality but power management features 
> are an add-on that not everybody may be interested in having (see above for 
> my feedback on that part). Since a DBUS interface cannot be split that makes 
> the whole org.fd.PM interface optional and therefore Shutdown/Reboot should 
> not be part of it.

The problem here is that Inhibit() on org.fd.PM affects the
implementation on of Shutdown() and Reboot() - e.g. if I want to be able
to make sure that the user gets this dialog

 Some app $APP is preventing shut down because: $REASON.

                               [Cancel] [Shut down anyway]

where $APP may be "k3b" and reason may be "burning DVD". Don't you want
this kind of interaction?

And if you care about memory consumption no-one is forcing you to run
g-p-m or kpowersave; just run other stuff instead and make it return
NotSupported for anything anything but Shutdown() and Reboot(). That's
not really too much to ask I think. Thoughts?


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