Problems getting developer access to the xorg cvs

Stuart Kreitman Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM
Fri Oct 29 16:18:12 PDT 2004


I am on the board, and I vouch for Amir's candidacy.


Keith Whitwell wrote:

> Deron Johnson wrote:
>> A member of the Looking Glass team (Amir Bukhari) has been trying
>> to get developer access to the xorg cvs for about a month now.
>> It has been an unnecessarily painful process for him. Figuring out
>> exactly how to go about doing this has been difficult because the
>> xorg documentation concerning this was out of date in that it named
>> Kaleb Keithly who no longer acts in the role of providing access.
>> My understanding is that the documentation is being updated to
>> instruct people to send mail to the sitewranglers alias. Unfortunately,
>> sitewranglers is a moderated mailing list so anyone trying to mail
>> to it gets a bounce which basically says that the moderator is waiting
>> to review your mail. This doesn't seem like a very good interface for
>> accepting new developers. It would be better if there were an alias
>> which responded to the effect that "your request for developer access
>> has been received and a reply will be sent shortly." People shouldn't
>> be required to send to an alias that they ordinarily aren't allowed to
>> send to in order to achieve something so basic.
>> Overall I think xorg needs to improve the process of accepting new
>> developers. If its hard for new people to join then it becomes somewhat
>> of an elitist club. I never would have thought that it would take more
>> than a month to get someone developer access.
> I'm not necessarily in favour of people being granted CVS access sight 
> unseen.   I don't know what your developer's situation is, but I don't 
> think there should be an expectation that people who haven't 
> participated in development previously, I'm talking about submitting 
> patches, bug reports, etc., should expect CVS access just by asking 
> for it.  Nor, obviously, do I think that the XFree86 idea of (I don't 
> know how much) more than 5 years of waiting for this is desireable 
> either.
> But I do feel that CVS access should be a priviledge granted sometime 
> after a person has individually shown themselves to be a worthwhile & 
> useful developer.  It's obviously a lot less contentious to weed 
> people out *before* granting CVS access to being in a position later 
> on where you have to yank it, which is always going to lead to hard 
> feelings.
> So, in respect to your developer, I don't see any posts to this list 
> from him (though I don't have a full archive, so I could be wrong) - 
> shouldn't some basic participation in the public lists be a 
> prerequisite to CVS access?
> Also let me note that I'm not in a position to influence the descision 
> one way or another, just expressing my opinions on the matter.
> Keith
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