Mini-Compiz on Miniature Linux/OpenGL (embedded 3D windowsystem)

Tue Apr 17 23:14:40 PDT 2007

hi,

>"They talk about LGPL there, but when i downloaded a few files from.."

yes, thats 2003 article, i gave that link as it explains they proposal back then,
now as much as i have figure it out by reading past post is that they were thinking of LGPL or even have relesed it for some period of time.. but as LGPL would allow companies to take from and not need return to community, it was decided to be GPL for the best interest of all, and as much as i understand these licences - they did the right thing

>" but it seems they don't release any source for the card drivers."

im not sure what you looking for, but i know this - you download source, unpack, type 'make' or whatever and it compiles into some binary files, one of which ogl driver, say 'ogl-driver.drv' its 800kb and its all you need to run OpenGL app, i mean you can delete the whole file system, just leave the driver and app will run! 

do you maybe ask if there is possibility that "card driver", as you call it, might be some binary file hiden somewhere in the source and merged to driver file at compile time?

i have no idea, i wouldnt think so, i dont know what card info would they have to hide, they pretty much worked things out from the Mesa and what specs nVidia/ATI provided to accelerate it...

maybe there isnt any 3D hardware acceleration, i just dont know, but hell, looking at the FPS it darn good software one at least, who knows? they mention HW acceleration quite a lot on their web-site, as i understand it works great for DOS, even DirectX, and what i read there, the stuff on Linux should be accelerated to some degree, ive tested it on 5 different cards nVidia/ATI, where some older cards work better than some brand new and with glgears i get from 120 - 450 FPS, i would have been happy with 30

im making a game with this as well "Metal Gear Solid" - like, well above 60 FPS(no textures tho), im amazed what can be done it reminds me of time when OpenGL just becam available for programes, first working 3dfx Voodoo OpenGL (Mesa) drivers... with a little imagination a lot can be done...

cheers,
zeljko

Linux based OpenGL development system without X
http://one.xthost.info/zelko/opengl.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Shaw" <rjshaw at netspace.net.au>
Cc: <xorg at lists.freedesktop.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Mini-Compiz on Miniature Linux/OpenGL (embedded 3Dwindow system)

> ZeAtShuttle wrote:
>> hi,
>>  
>>  > I can pretty much assume Scitech is *SOFTWARE* OpenGL, this is no use
>>  > as you've found so you've got something small but quite useless for
>>  > actual real work, so you really haven't got something at all...
>> huh.. thanks? dont know what to say..
>> why do you jump to assumption just to say that something sucks?
>>  
>> have a look at this:
>> http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/index.html
>>  
>> Uses SNAP graphics technology from SciTech Software 
>> <http://www.scitechsoft.com/> instead of X11.
>> # Graphics throughput is 17% faster than Microsoft Windows 
>> <http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/benchmarks.html> and /at least/ 25% 
>> faster than X11 <http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/benchmarks.html>.
>> # Fast booting - between 5 and 10 seconds on modern hardware.
>> ...
>>  
>> hows that for "quite useless for actual real work",  what say you?
>>  
>>  
>> i thought effort in that direction would be welcome and that there are 
>> some alternatives, but miniglx seem to be abandoned in favor of EGL and 
>> EGL doesnt really exist, or what Brian would say -
>> ".. been in limbo for a while"
>> or
>> "Mini GLX is a hack.  It filled a specific need when it was created but
>> I'm not sure it's an appropriate base for large projects."
>>  
>> and i just hoped that EGL effort has moved to yet some other project, so 
>> my main question really boils down to:
>>  
>> is there anything better than scitech at this moment?
>>  
>>  
>> or
>>  
>> is there an -active- project with a goal of making windowing system with 
>> OpenGL as primary graphic API - X built with OpenGL not requirement for it?
>>  
>>  
>> i have searched for previous mention of it, and all i figure out is that 
>> it miniglx/EGX -> xgl/xegl were supposed to be "base" for it, but has 
>> everyone abandoned these projects?
>>  
>> would it not be easier to 'convert' X to OpenGL if it was not 
>> requirement to use OpenGL?
>>  
>> would it not be easier to make OpenGL drivers if they were not "bundled" 
>> with X, for Open Source as well as for ATI/nVidia?
>>  
>>  
>> SciTech did it quite nicely, and I believe they do have solution to 
>> "device driver crisis", just like they did once before with VESA..
>> http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4396090607.html
> 
> They talk about LPGL there, but when i downloaded a few files from
> 
>   http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/devel/
> 
> the LICENSE.FAQ contains GPL and explicit denial of LGPL.
> 
>> btw, i couldnt care less for scitech except that im thankful they did 
>> OpenGL thing and released it GPL, but did i mention  that these are not 
>> just graphic OpenGL-MGL drivers, its a 'technology' - SNAP.. complete 
>> i/o, interrupt and other device drivers, ALL you need to build complete 
>> OS or app like X.. its really compact, it works and its all 
>> Plug'n'Play... (OpenGL driver is single file, 800kb)
>> how many companies are doing/have done this much for the Open software 
>> and improving/unifying graphic standrds, how come no one is using 
>> scitech now, why no one even wants to consider to have a look at it?
> 
> I downloaded a few files from
> 
>   http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/devel/
> 
> but it seems they don't release any source for the card drivers.
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