[Clipart] Re: nazi flag ban called for in the EU by germany post-harry costume

[Bryce Harrington]

It sounds like the general concensus is:

   * OCAL will not reject images that are legal in most countries just
     because they are illegal in a minority of countries.

   * Keywords to identify controversial/objectionable/illicit images 
     are definitely acceptable.

   * There are probably other controversial topics besides the NAZI
     symbology that should be so marked

   * Distributing multiple monthly packages (one complete, others
     trimmed) would be ok, given the tools to produce them.

   * Not many of the current OCAL participants have a desire to work on
     this, so it would be more likely to succeed if additional people
     who care about it can assist with it.

Where more work is needed is in finding a good scheme for what keywords
to use for determining which images should get them.  Also, better tools
for manipulating keywords is needed.

Bryce

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, David Illsley wrote:

> Apologies. I hadn't seen this idea brought up (using keywords in a 
> minimalist way - I think the bigger keywords proposals have major 
> issues with internationalisation etc.)
> But looking over the discussion (Which I have been following) I can't 
> see that any firm decision was made and the fact that It was re-ignited 
> I thought I'd put my idea forward.
> 
> I'm more than happy to host any images reject by OCAL on my server for 
> freedom of speech reasons.
> David
> 
> On 18 Jan 2005, at 09:06, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote:
> 
> > Well if you had also been following the debate after your first lost
> > mail got lost, you would have seen that the answer to your question is
> > 'no'. I am more inclined to start sorting suggestions like this one 
> > into
> > a trash folder called 'controversial'.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 07:52 +0000, David Illsley wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> I submitted this idea a few days ago but my e-mail got lost somewhere
> >> :-(
> >>
> >> Why not allow a small group of people (possibly even just one) to
> >> declare an image "controversial" (marked by that keyword). This 
> >> doesn't
> >> say that it is illegal, offensive or immoral but that it is
> >> controversial with at least 'n' people. Then distribute 2 packages. 1
> >> full and the other without any controversial images. It is then up to
> >> the package distributor whether they want to look through all the
> >> controversial images and pick the ones they want to exclude (for
> >> whatever reason) or just exclude them all by basing it on the smaller
> >> package.
> >> Simple, easy, respects everyone's beliefs.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> On 18 Jan 2005, at 01:23, Mat Hounsell wrote:
> >>
> >>> If the appropriateness of images is a concern, then may I suggest 
> >>> that
> >>> this
> >>> project take a purely (apolitical) technical/librarian stance.
> >>>
> >>> If you say "we are going to accept any image" then you open yourself
> >>> to images
> >>> that members will consider inappropriate, even offensive.
> >>>
> >>> If you block one image then you will find yourself being asked to
> >>> block more
> >>> and more images. Not to mention being taken to task for blocking
> >>> images.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps , rather than refusing images, you are better instituting a
> >>> benefit
> >>> policy.
> >>>
> >>> E.G.
> >>>   A symbol will be accepted if it
> >>>   * is specified in a (international) standard [e.g. biohazard]
> >>>   * is a professional symbol
> >>>   * is a historical symbol [e.g. nazi flag, ussr flag]
> >>>   etc
> >>>
> >>>   An image will be accepted if it
> >>>   * conveys a simple universal idea
> >>>   etc
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it is not terriblely well defined at the moment; but you refine
> >>> it as you
> >>> go. You look at each image and ask what does this image convey? What
> >>> benefit
> >>> will it's use give our user?
> >>>
> >>> A simple litmus test:
> >>> Could thim image help a high school student with a project?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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