[Clipart] [Fwd: Re: pro-community and the problems of the PublicDocument License and Clip Art]

Tue Oct 3 14:28:48 PDT 2006

Jon - has this been confirmed ? I have a couple of questions ?

1: Can I submit something to the contest (clipart) and then it will come
over to OCAL once the contest ends as PD ?

2: Is there anything to stop a person from submitting to the contest
clipart that was already submitted to OCAL as PD ?

Gerald G.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:clipart-bounces at lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of Jon Phillips
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:14 PM
To: clipart-list
Subject: [Clipart] [Fwd: Re: pro-community and the problems of the
PublicDocument License and Clip Art]

Here is a good followup from the sponsor of the OO.o and worldlabel clip
art contest. It looks like all is well now and all clip art will be
submitted to us...I'm following up on making sure it is public domain
and they declare it as such...cool!

I also went ahead and told Russell yes to his donation/contribution of
clip art as well! Very cool! Win Win!

Jon

-------- Forwarded Message --------
> From: Russell Ossendryver <worldlabel at gmail.com>
> To: Jon Phillips <jon at rejon.org>
> Subject: Re: pro-community and the problems of the Public Document 
> License and Clip Art
> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:37:07 -0400
> 
> Hi Jon
> 
> I spoke with Scott Carr, co-lead at OO Doc project. He said it is 
> their intention to bundle all the clipart they receive and send to 
> OCAL also. He said they made many mistakes with this contest and the 
> PDL license will have no effect on sending to OCAL.
> 
> I have some (not a lot) clipart I own, i got custom made, Country 
> Graphic themes like attached, frames, dogs, faces... I can send to 
> OCAL, however they are Jpeg and GIF. I guess they can be converted to 
> PNG and put up.  Please let me know if you want me to send to you.
> 
> Take is easy
> Peace
> 
> Russell
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/21/06, Russell Ossendryver <worldlabel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Jon
> >
> > Hope you having a great day.
> >
> > I agree 100% with everything you have said. I am all for Public
Domain.
> >
> > Between you and me, the community should put pressure on Sun to make

> > OO a Mozilla type foundation. As a sponsor, (a small company) I do 
> > not wish to increase the wealth of Sun only the community. I do 
> > admire all the volenteers who dedicate there lives to making OO 
> > suceessful and like to help them. A lot of them would like, OO to
come out of the Sun.
> >
> > I woul like to see closer cooperation like MS Office has, a Clipart 
> > Orgainizer" a plugin for OO tied to the OCAL should be developed?
> >
> > I have advised Louis of you displeasure with the 
> > "go-it-alone-strategy" and he would like to talk with you: "Louis 
> > Suarez-Potts" louis at openoffice.org
> >
> > I certainly will also try my best and get the Licencing for the 
> > Clipart changed. It is probably late in the game now for it as I am 
> > sure Sun would want to be involved. As advised the competition was a

> > rush,  not well organized and a learning expericence for all
involved.
> >
> > Peace
> >
> > Russell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/06, Jon Phillips <jon at rejon.org> wrote:
> > > One of the ways you could really help make this project more 
> > > community driven is to require all submissions for this OO.o 
> > > project to be declared Public Domain.
> > >
> > > On the site's contest rules, there is a statement that submissions

> > > must use the SUN specific license, Public Document License, which 
> > > looks like a SUN re-branding of the LGPL license, which is meant 
> > > for source code and not CONTENT, unlike a Creative Commons license

> > > (which is for text, audio, video, etc). This is counter to simply 
> > > releasing content into the public domain, like Open Clip Art 
> > > Library does so a project like this can use the Open Clip Art 
> > > Library graphics on this page without
> > > problems: http://documentation.openoffice.org/ Basically,
> > declaring the
> > > clip into the Public Domain (not a license, but a declaration), 
> > > one allows ANYONE to use the clip art and/or templates.
> > >
> > > It is very unfortunate this contest is using the SUN-only Public 
> > > Document License, because yet again it confused the public with 
> > > Public Domain, which is the dominate declaration for clip art 
> > > files and basically WON'T let anyone use this OO.o clipart and 
> > > templates outside of software that is Public Document 
> > > License/LGPL...so its locked into the OpenOffice.org domain 
> > > because nobody else uses Public Document License outside of SUN.
> > >
> > > So to sum it up:
> > >
> > > 1.) LGPL is meant for Source Code (and thus it is not engineered 
> > > to stand up in a court of law for clip art and templates) and thus

> > > is not valid for non-software.
> > >
> > > Here is a snippet to prove this point from the LGPL license: "0. 
> > > This License Agreement applies to any software library or other 
> > > program which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder or 
> > > other authorized party saying it may be distributed under the 
> > > terms of this Lesser General Public License (also called "this 
> > > License"). Each licensee is addressed as "you"."
> > >
> > > 2.) The Sun-only Public Document License encumbers submissions so 
> > > that they can only be used in files that are public document 
> > > licensed (basically Sun/OO.o projects or created by OO.o). So in 
> > > effect, by using a clip art or template under this license and 
> > > with Sun/OO.o, one must also license their document under this 
> > > Public Document License, something that is very restrictive and
most people will not understand.
> > > I can discuss this more as well, as it is closest to the Creative 
> > > Commons BY-SA (viral attribution license). Basically, the Sun-only

> > > Public Document License is restricting submissions to 
> > > OpenOffice.org only.
> > >
> > > Proof of this viral nature of the Public Document License is here:

> > > "The Modifications which You create or to which You contribute are

> > > governed by the terms of this License, including without 
> > > limitation Section 2.2 ("Contributor Grant"). The Documentation 
> > > may be distributed only under the terms of this License or a 
> > > future version of this License released in accordance with Section

> > > 5.0 ("Versions of the License"), and You must include a copy of 
> > > this License with every copy of the Documentation You distribute. 
> > > You may not offer or impose any terms that alter or restrict the 
> > > applicable version of this License or the recipients' rights 
> > > hereunder. However, You may include an additional document
offering the additional rights described in Section 3.5 ("Required
Notices")."
> > >
> > > It is probably too late to get this changed, but is one major way 
> > > this contest could still work with the community. Anyhow, 
> > > basically, I think this legal hurdle is a major stumbling block 
> > > and hopefully you (and the other organizers) can address with the 
> > > people you are working with at SUN over this project. I strongly 
> > > urge you all to change the licensing to a non-viral license and 
> > > hopefully to requiring artists to release to the public domain.
> > >
> > > I wanted to discuss with you first before I proceed with opening 
> > > this up to the larger community because this Public Document 
> > > License basically hurts the users and the larger community and I 
> > > need to make sure Open Clip Art Library artists know about this, 
> > > because if anyone submits to this contest, they cannot submit to 
> > > our project nor any other project unless they use this
OpenOffice.org-only, Public Document license.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jon Phillips
> > >
> > > San Francisco, CA
> > > USA PH 510.499.0894
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> > >
> > > Inkscape (http://inkscape.org)
> > > Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org ) Creative Commons 
> > > (www.creativecommons.org) San Francisco Art Institute 
> > > (www.sfai.edu)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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