[Clipart] Re: [Inkscape-devel] metadata: general vs. specific in SVG

[Jon Phillips]

On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 00:29 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Andy Fitzsimon wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:43:20 +0800
> > From: Andy Fitzsimon <andyfitz at gmail.com>
> > To: Jon Phillips <jon at rejon.org>
> > Cc: Inkscape Development Mailing List
> >     <inkscape-devel at lists.sourceforge.net>,
> >      Open Clip Art Library list <clipart at lists.freedesktop.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] metadata: general vs. specific in SVG
> >
> > rock and roll  jon..    looks like you're on the right track.
> >
> > will come back to this soon once im near good internet after kreming.
> > cant wait to catch up online
> >
> > On 8/26/06, Jon Phillips <jon at rejon.org> wrote:
> 
> > > So, one of the things I've wanted to work on is more specific metadata
> > > usage per-object which we could hav UI for in Inkscape and for use in
> > > Open Clip Art Library.
> 
> > > Thus, what I think would be a good approach is to generalize Kees'
> > > document metadata dialog into a panel which can be re-used and then
> > > either we add an object metadata dialog (using Jon's panel work), or
> > > just attach this functionality to the object properties dialog.
> 
> I would be much more comfortable with a seperate "Document
> Properites"/Metadata dialog and another dialog for Object properties
> metadata.

I'm saying the same thing but more saying the code should be generalized
for use in both places but for diff. instances.

> The document metadata descibes things like Title, Author, Subject, etc.
> Object properties are more likely to be different, a collection of name &
> value pairs roughly resembling the following:
> <metadata name="vehicle" value="truck" />
> <metadata name="animal" value="duck" />
> <metadata name="tag" value="mountain" />

There is already a standard for this as I described before. We should be
consistent to use the standard dublin core. Although, I see the value in
what you are suggesting...but, we should stick to our guns on how we use
the global international standard.

> Where users would be able to define their own endless list of name value
> pairs or tags to put on an object.
> 
> Document properites are more likely to be along the lines of Dublin Core.
> Sure you might also want to include a Custom/Advanced tab on the Document
> Propties dialog allowing you to add your own additional tags but
> generalising the Document properties dialog would make it less useful.
> By all means try to find a way to share common elements and interaction
> models but try to keep the two different tasks seperate.
> 
> Look at Visio if you can.  What I am describing should roughly resemble
> what Microsoft Office does.  It is pretty close to how OpenOffice does
> things too (see File, Properties, User Defined.  Also see Modify, Name
> Object).

Can you provide screenshots? I dont' have a windoze box.

> > > Kees what do you think? Others, what do you think?
> 
> So definately yes to per object metadata but please make sure you have a
> good idea of other approaches before you try to come up with a whole new
> one.

Maybe you could help outline this with screenshots to show what you
mean :) I currently don't have time to do this...

> Since you mentioned Pippin, a gimp developer you may want to try and think
> of a design which could be reused verbatim for their document properties
> and layer properties, which in this case should be analagous to the
> inkscape document properties and object (or group)  properties.

Hmmm...the thing is, dublin core is standardized...also, the SVG specs
both support this:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-SVG12-20041027/nonvisual.html#external-metadata


I think we should go this route and go to greater efforts to not include
all the fields if they are empty. We could also add your extensible
suggestion but do it through the global standard, dublin core.

JonCruz and Kess, what do you all think? I think it will be great to get
this done because we are innovating on the metadata, its allowing me to
push this with Creative Commons, and also push it with W3C and others.

Jon

> Sincerely
> 
> Alan Horkan
> 
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