[Clipart] [Open Clip Art Library] clker.com - part 3

[momo at lumenstudio.net]

> I wouldn't consider a casual user a leech, but someone who uses a huge
> chunk of the library and makes money from it can afford to donate some
> or time back to continuing to improve the library.

AFAIK www.clker.com is not profitable, there are no advertising, no paid 
services, and no cliparts are being sold. The only thing this site's doing 
is providing a better GUI than the actual OCAL website. If the creator of 
clker.com would like to help making OCAL better by contributing code it'll 
be very nice, but I repeat that calling it a leech just because it doesn't 
contribute clipart or money back to OCAL is somewhat unfair.

Molumen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Bulmash" <burgerguy at gmail.com>
To: <momo at lumenstudio.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Clipart] [Open Clip Art Library] clker.com - part 3


>A lot of people find my library useful, and they find the Flash
> drawing tool useful.
>
> By your lights, since the OCAL work is public domain and I'm providing
> value to my users, I should feel no debt to OCAL for all the work its
> contributors put into making it possible to have this huge collection
> of clip art that helps me have a better, more profitable site.
>
> I believe that when a community creates so much value and you avail
> yourself of it to such a large extent, you owe a karmic debt to the
> community.  That's why I've uploaded a number of images, worked on
> couple of wiki pages, and donated a little cash to "getting back
> online" effort last year.  I'm not dedicating my life to it, but I've
> given back to the community that gave so much to me.
>
> I wouldn't consider a casual user a leech, but someone who uses a huge
> chunk of the library and makes money from it can afford to donate some
> or time back to continuing to improve the library.
>
> He has no legal obligation to do so, but so what?  Neither is any
> other contributor.
>
> - Greg
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2008 2:17 PM,  <momo at lumenstudio.net> wrote:
>> > I try to contribute back to OCAL to not be a leech like cker, though.
>>
>> I don't really understand why you call clker.com a "leech". Whoever 
>> created
>> this website has all the right to do anything he wants with the cliparts
>> since they are all public domain. And there is no harm in having another
>> library on the web that mirrors the contents of OCAL. Actually I had a 
>> look
>> at clker.com and I find it quite useful, since the creator managed to 
>> create
>> a whole bunch of usabilities that are on the OCAL todo list for quite 
>> some
>> time:
>> - searching among tags
>> - automatically generated ODG and PNG (more than that the PNGs are 
>> generated
>> in 3 different sizes!!)
>> - a functioning voting system (OCAL's one is broken since the move to 
>> OSUOL
>> servers and looks like it will still be broken for quite some time...)
>>
>> So basically clker.com is IMO more user-friendly right now and once again
>> there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to call this site a leech.
>>
>> Molumen
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Greg Bulmash" <oneminuteinspirations at gmail.com>
>> To: <clipart at lists.freedesktop.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] [Open Clip Art Library] clker.com - part 3
>>
>>
>> > I've been using thousands of pieces of OCAL artwork at FunDraw.com...
>> >
>> > http://www.fundraw.com/clipart
>> >
>> > It's mixed in with pieces I've picked up from other PD clipart sites,
>> > stuff I generated myself (either through vectorizing old art or using
>> > my very rudimentary skills), and stuff I had drawn by other artists.
>> > It's all categorized and keyworded and I offer it in JPG (500 pixel)
>> > and PNG (transparent - 3500 pixel) sizes.
>> >
>> > The reason I don't have it all is mainly because the FunDraw Flash
>> > application and ImageMagick based renderer need it in EPS and SWF
>> > formats.  Illustrator's export of SVG to SWF isn't always perfect and
>> > their export to EPS has more issues than it's worth describing, so I
>> > have to use Inkscape for the EPS conversion, but that occasionally
>> > delivers less than optimal conversions.
>> >
>> > I try to contribute back to OCAL to not be a leech like cker, though.
>> >
>> > - Greg
>>
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