[Clipart] leechers and pirates

[Jon Phillips]

Johnny is awesome and hard core!

On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 16:25 +0100, eric.lemerdy wrote:
> I feel that I am in the target of people :
> "just a little code that they knew they could write, but never got
> around to doing it."

All is well...we all do this for the love and fun of it which is good
and bad sometimes...don't be hard on yourself, trust me I am on myself
too for not having as much time as I want to hack.

> For our defense, the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY
> discouraging. I remember how motivated I was to contribute Ocal until
> I checkout the code and suddenly became shameful that I was not able
> to understand a single line of code in this framework unless spending
> days on it. That's where I join ckler when he says that such a site
> can be written in a day or so but FROM SCRATCH.

No way. That is a big no no path to destruction -- starting over. I have
been involved in too many projects that take that on and failed. Just
have to keep focused on specific tasks and get them done. Also, cchost 5
has removed the old templating system in favor of just pure php, which
is nice.

I'll help anyone who wants to hack on the system...its just php and
phptal for templating...pretty simple...

> But a I am not a talentuous programmer mysefl and I know this is again
> to defend myself for doing nothing about ocal todo list... I practice
> SDD (Shame Driven Developpement) which leads to self-frustration and
> nothing concrete !

Yes, the best way to jump in is to just go to the bug tracker and pick 1
bug to do, and squash it.

The other way is to go to the roadmap and find an item and check it off.

Jon

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>         > Message du 06/02/08 15:50
>         > De : "John Olsen" 
>         > A : clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>         > Copie à : 
>         > Objet : [Clipart] leechers and pirates
>         >
>         > regarding various salvos being fired over clker.com etal.:
>         > 
>         > Am I going to the wrong clker.com? The one I visit clearly
>         has the 
>         > author as one of the tags and you can sort by that - so that
>         molomen 
>         > and Liftarn submissions can be seen together. i see a few of
>         my 
>         > submissions are popular this week. When I click on one and
>         go to it's 
>         > page right under the site title it says "Johnny Automatic
>         greedy man"
>         > 
>         > I don't want to get into a name calling debate, but it seems
>         to me 
>         > that "leechers and pirates" have one admirable advantage
>         over our 
>         > little group - they talk a lot less and work a lot more. I'm
>         gonna 
>         > judge this site by results.
>         > 
>         > How refreshing to go to a site focused on visual art -
>         clipart and see 
>         > - OMG - a page full of pictures of clipart!
>         > 
>         > People go to OCAL looking for clipart. God help them trying
>         to find 
>         > it. The most likely thing they'll see is a blog feed from
>         someone 
>         > else's blog and words - lots of words. In fact for something
>         that is 
>         > dedicated to visual art, it profoundly misunderstands the
>         power of 
>         > design and visuals.
>         > 
>         > As someone who has contributed a file or two here, I am
>         happy to have 
>         > them spread around. The important part is that the clipart
>         is 
>         > available. Much of the art I upload is repurposed from
>         public domain 
>         > old books. I see that as liberating it to be repurposed and
>         used by 
>         > more people than ever would if it just sat lost in a book.
>         Was that 
>         > the intent of the original illustrator? Almost certainly
>         not. But it 
>         > is now in the PD and is there for people to use and
>         reinvent.
>         > 
>         > Now I'm done talking - I have uploading and librarian work
>         to do. I 
>         > am in the middle of uploading about 500 files from the old
>         library by 
>         > hand because I have just given up on all the people that
>         have come and 
>         > gone here spouting off how easy something would be to do
>         with just a 
>         > little code that they knew they could write, but never got
>         around to 
>         > doing it.
>         > 
>         > But I can't fix bugs or add site features by brute force.
>         > 
>         > A car is faster than walking, but if I start walking and the
>         car never 
>         > comes, who gets there first?
>         > 
>         > John Olsen/Johnny Automatic
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