[Clipart] clipart Digest, Vol 60, Issue 52

Fri Mar 27 16:12:43 PDT 2009

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:12 AM, John Olsen <johnny_automatic at mac.com>wrote:

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> On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:57 PM, clipart-request at lists.freedesktop.org
> wrote:
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:22:40 +1300
> > From: chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Clipart] Importing other peoples artwork?
> > To: Open Clip Art Library list <clipart at lists.freedesktop.org>
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> > On the Roadmap (wiki <http://openclipart.org/wiki/Roadmap>), part of
> > the
> > goals are to import all images from the archives.
> > Would it be ok for someone else (me) to take one of the folders at a
> > time
> > and import them into OCAL? Does this put them into the ccHost
> > automatically
> > or would you like me to "hands off" there?
> >
> > *"We are tracking the transfer of files from the old archive to the
> > new OCAL
> > site on this page:
> > http://openclipart.org/wiki/authorlist - please strike through your
> > name
> > when you have uploaded your files to the current site. "*
> >
> > For example would it be ok for me to cross off one or more of
> > authors as I
> > complete uploading their stuff?
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
>
> I initiated this project, so here's a little background.  I sorted all
> the files in the past collections and removed crap files and
> duplicates.  Then I re-organized them into folders by submitter name.

> We talked about a bulk upload of the old stuff but no one came up with
> a feasible method of moving them all while retaining the original
> connections to their submitters.  I guess the underlying architecture
> is too different.  If you import them they will be imported under your
> name instead of that of the original submitter.  Some of these
> submitters already have accounts on the new OCAL but have not, for
> whatever reason uploaded their old art to the new site.  Also it is
> hard to determine WHO these submitters are.  Some have used multiple
> accounts over the years, some are untraceable.
>
> I uploaded all the singletons awhile ago under anonymous - thinking
> that a submitter who only submitted one file for years was not active
> and we could take the chance.  We didn't think setting up dummy
> accounts for all these people and then uploading them to each one was
> a good idea.  That would have been over 300 accounts with one entry
> that wold have to be set up with passwords remembered, etc.
>
> Turns out 2 of those 388 people have now requested that their files
> appear under their names, but neither has followed my simple
> instructions to make that happen.  So it seems maintaining and running
> these blind accounts for a slew of people would be a nightmare.
>
> Up until now, we have relied on the many hands make light work" notion
> and hoped all the past submitters would move their own stuff.  You can
> see from the list and how many stikeouts there are, that it hasn't
> been wholly successful.   There is somewhere around 200 names there
> (not counting the singletons) and 7 have finished moving their files
> over.
>
> We'd love to find a solution here, but haven't heard any good ideas
> yet.  What do you think?
>
> Johnny
>
>
>
Well I have a few ideas. I don't know if it'll work, but it's worth bringing
up the discussion if we can find something that does work. The important
thing is getting the clipart in there.

   - Idea #1. Manual upload under mine or other people's names.

   If the original authors want their works (which are already submitted
   under PD), to be under their name, then the onus is on them to follow the
   procedure, OR get in contact with whoever uploaded the clipart. As you said
   we don't know if they are active, and few of them have responded to any
   communications you guys have already done.  I have no problem uploading them
   under my name, naming the original author, and informing them of the new
   process when they contact me or leave a review. At least then we'll have the
   working name. Then they can upload under their name, let me know they've
   uploaded and I can delete my copy.

   I'm not interested in having my name to clipart that is in the PD, that I
   didnt do. So I have no problem uploading, then deleteing when the real
   author squeals and uploads it for himself.

   - Idea #2. Manual or batch upload with ccHost database details change.

   I don't know how ccHost works but I'm presuming it's some sort of
   database? If it is anything like MYSQL, then I also presume that a database
   Administrator could change the name of an entry to the appropriate name. For
   example:

   ITEMNO UPLOADER FILENAME NICKNAME LINKEDFILE DATE
   1 chovynz Pineapple.svg Hi_Res_Image Pineapple.png 20090622

   - Case Use 1. Let's say Pineapple.svg is Jon Phillips original artwork
   from this list of clipart whos authors have disappeared. chovynz uploads the
   file, because it's worthwhile having as many clipart in OCAL as possible.
   Jon Phillips sees it one day, registers and lets chovynz or one of the
   admins know and says "This is my original artwork I'd like it under my own
   name. Thanks!"  Chovynz or one of the admins email one of the ccHost admins
   for OCAL and let them know who the original author of *this_filename* is,
   and can they please change it.

   - Case Use 2. We find a way to batch upload. The author of 40 images come
   and register. They let us know that *these* images are "theirs".

   - End result 1 & 2
   The ccHost admins change the name of  the UPLOADER field to the relevant
   author.

   - Clarifications: "letting us know" could be a list on the wiki of
   clipart that have what the FILENAME UPLOADER needs to changing from and to.
   The purplse of this list is that the admins do when they can, rather than
   being pressured by someone saying "I want this under my name for the Nth
   time!" or "Hurry up!" etc.

   - Idea #3. Again I dont know ccHost so i dont know if this is possbile.
   Filename and directory structure text extractions. On second thought if
   the person doesnt have a username exactly as in the stuctures, that wont
   work. Nevermind. Ignore this one.

It seems that even if the Authors come forward, someone has to do it
manually. Again I dont mind doing it myself and just waiting until they get
in contact. Perhaps we could have an automated "I'm the original author!"
button on a specific clipart category or tag? This button would send a
report or email to an admin stating filename, uploader, and reportee. Then
the admins could come to an agreement on if they want to change it?

I dont really know enough about how ccHost works to come up with solutions
at the moment
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