[Clipart] External Source tags + source

Sat May 16 18:24:55 PDT 2009

For the second line "Drawn by:"  works best I think. It has the same meaning
as featured artist (which is semi-applicable to clipart), but is better
suited to OCAL, and also manages multi-authors/collaborators if there are
any. Good suggestion. If there are no entries in the drawn by part you can
presume the submitter is also the author.

Michael: can you make that happen? Change clipart details labels from
"Author" to "Submitter" or "Uploader", and Featuring to "Drawn by" or
"Collaboration".

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Olsen <johnny_automatic at mac.com>wrote:

> I agree - it all can be fixed with just the wording - Submitter is also
> another option instead of Author.  The second line should be the creator or
> drawn by.  Currently we have that line about "Featured Artists" - this is
> obviously something applies to music but has very little if anything to do
> with designing clipart.  I doubt anyone has submitted an original clipart
> and used that for a "featured artist" that helped them with the drawing.
>
>

> my two cents
>
> John Olsen
>
> On May 16, 2009, at 3:08 PM, chovynz wrote:
>
> I agree with that fact that we need some way of attribution and proper
> credit. I don't like taking credit for other people's clipart either. I've
> noticed that you and Papapishu upload *many* cliparts that come from Wiki
> Commons, and other places, and when I get around to uploading again, no
> doubt, I'll do the same.
>
> However, I don't agree with making a new upload page for that entire tag
> category. On the current OCAL, most of the upload pages are the exactly the
> same - the only difference they do is have a sentence difference and add
> certain tags. With this new Beta, it's an opportunity to change things and
> make them more efficient - or less cluttered.
>
> There are a number of solutions that could work together to produce what
> you want, the first and easiest one is to change the Author label to
> Uploader. Using this clipart<http://216.40.235.204/cchost/files/johnny_automatic/184>as an example  we can see that will make a change to people's perceptions
> straight away. We could do some check boxes or "possible system tags", e.g.
> ("externalsource", "
>
> I don't know who's been following the latest emails, so I'll summarise my
> thoughts on some ideas here. (I might need to make some visual proofs so
> people undersand what I'm thinking and trying to say.) We could use
> trackbacks  to do external sourced clipart. This would make a traceable lead
> to the source, and would possibly give most attribution without too much
> work from the uploader.
>
> To my understanding, we already have the data, it's just a matter of
> putting them into the proper place. It would mean a few changes to the
> upload form, and clipart details page, but with PHP this is easily enough
> achieved. Cchost is where my un-knowledge lies, so we'll need to talk to the
> programmers about what's possible.
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> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:11 AM, John Olsen <johnny_automatic at mac.com>wrote:
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>> On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, clipart-request at lists.freedesktop.org
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:44:19 +0200
>> > From: Michael Krnac <michaelkrnac at googlemail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Clipart] Some thoughts about OCAL design
>> > To: Jon Phillips <jon at rejon.org>
>> > Cc: Open Clip Art Library list <clipart at lists.freedesktop.org>
>> > Message-ID:
>> >       <5f43e9810905150344o170b6b1em5d523915937fcd99 at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r"
>> >
>> > We use the oranges to Explain the diffrence between original Clipart
>> > and
>> > Remix.
>> > For "old" OCAL Members the words are enough so we can simply add
>> > Text Links.
>> > But for New users it is not so easy to understand, whats the diffrence
>> > between original and remix.
>> > I hope we get there an explaining comic from nicu soon.
>> >
>> > One of our goals is to get new users.
>> > Thats why we want to make it as clear as possible.
>> > We use the oranges here:
>> > http://216.40.235.204/cchost/view/media/upload
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I still think we are missing a whole category of uploads.  These
>> indeed make up the majority of my uploads.  These are not original
>> designs that I created nor do I remix items from OCAL.  These uploads
>> are mechanical extractions and cleanups of public domain images.  I
>> cannot and will not take credit for these as a designer (when they are
>> my creations I upload them as my own).  Currently we upload them under
>> the category of "external source".  Perhaps this is an issue of
>> semantics - the original music orientation of ccHost still has us
>> using some terms more clearly related to that - remix being one.
>> Traditionally in art we would call remixes - derivations, now we might
>> call them mix ups. So I guess the problem might be that we consider
>> the person who uploads the file to be the creator.  I suppose I am the
>> creator in that I brought the SVG file into existence, but modesty
>> prevents me from taking much credit for that simply mechanical act.
>> Also this does not address items that are just moved over from some
>> other site like Wiki Commons.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John Olsen
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> Cheers
> Chovynz
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> Cheers
> Chovynz
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> This is one of 10 parts of a mystery picture.  Assemble all the parts and
> return to the assembled picture to me and I'll have a prize for you.
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Cheers
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