[Clipart] 30K! and ready to launch!!!

Sun Apr 25 22:22:15 PDT 2010

I'll add my voice to those of the opinion that vectorized photos
aren't clipart. I've always found that vectorized photos just make
crappy clipart that isn't as good as a drawing and has lost the detail
of the photo.

And if they won't render in a browser, you can make the arguments
you've been making, but you sound like the Linux wonks who piss on
noobs for not knowing how to run Linux, driving them off instead of
growing the community.

- Greg

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Jon Phillips <jon at rejon.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Jarod Russel <JarodR at gmx.de> wrote:
>> Yes you are right it is a value judgement from my site. That is only my
>> opinion. I do not see a lot of value in photographs that have been
>> vectorized and stipped of clearness, certain colors and details. That
>> doesn't mean it will not have value for other people. I personally do not
>> consider vectorized photography as clipart, but others do. What I am afraid
>> of is that this is just the beginning and people will upload poorly
>> vectorized photos (meaning in general, not talking about yours...haven't
>> seen a bigger image yet just thumbs). Illustrated images might get lost. In
>> my opinion illustrated images are what I understand under the term cliparts.
>
> I understand.
>
>> As for your statement about the vectorized photographs that can't be viewed
>> in browsers but in other programs, well regular john and jane do not know
>> that. Yes they are valid svg, but the available/uploaded content on OCAL
>> should be viewable in browsers as an image not as a xml file. People will
>> get quickly irritated if they can't view it and leave OCAL. That wouldn't be
>> good for the sites reputation I guess.
>
> Yes, I agree. The thumbnails and large PNG look fine. I'll look into
> the SVG problem more.
>
>> Maybe it could be considered to open a section for vectorized photographs.
>> Just a thought...
>
> That's true. Well, the point is that they are tagged in a way that
> they can be discovered (and eventually filtered out just like NSFW
> images).
>
> Cheers Jarod, have a good day.
>
> Jon
>
>> Am 26-Apr-10 11:36 AM, schrieb Jon Phillips:
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Jarod Russel<JarodR at gmx.de>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alright I will give my 0.2 cents to this. I think Jon had good
>>>> intentions,
>>>> but I do not see vectorized photographs as something openclipart should
>>>> include in the collection. I know there is a why to make vectorized
>>>> photographs look like the original or almost like it. Those vectorized
>>>> images take to much away from the original and it simply doesn't look
>>>> good
>>>> (sorry jon).
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a value judgment. Just because you don't think they look good
>>> does not invalidate them. I'm strongly opposed to value judgments on
>>> quality of clip arts. Where can you draw the line?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also see people in some of those photographs. I really hope that is you
>>>> Jon or at least somebody you got a model release signed from. If not you
>>>> better write in your description down that no model release was obtained.
>>>> You simply infringe this peoples privacy rights.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm removing the ones without model release or people you can make
>>> out. Fair enough. And, I found a few clearly recognizable brands,
>>> removing those too.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another thing I noticed is the fact that I click on the thumbnail or svg
>>>> button and get a xml file instead of the vectorized image. Don't know
>>>> what
>>>> the problem is and it seems to happen with your images only.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They are still valid SVG. You can open them in SVG editor. Its a
>>> problem with the browsers. As far as I'm concerned, they are ok. The
>>> thumbnails are fine.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 26-Apr-10 05:45 AM, schrieb Jon Phillips:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I should be held to the same standard as everyone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, I would say, we shouldn't just delete images unless they violate
>>>>> our guidelines, which my submissions don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, there are loads of vectorized images in major clipart
>>>>> collections. If any of my images violate the guidelines then they
>>>>> should be removed, but at the core of OCAL is to not do value
>>>>> judgments, but tag, and rate clipart.
>>>>>
>>>>> My images are part of a vectorized collection I was interested in doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM,<michaelkrnac at googlemail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 30 000 clipart achieved but with a lot of bad "clip art". Well the
>>>>>> image
>>>>>> stuff you uploaded jon is not clipart at all.
>>>>>> If they were not from you jon but by someone else, I would delete them
>>>>>> immediatly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really poor!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am schrieb Jon Phillips<jon at rejon.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are now over 30K cliparts!!! We are ready to launch!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad and Bassel, anymore updates to list in the press? Lets launch out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on sunday night PST.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cool!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon Phillips
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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