[Clipart] Draft Policy Feedback (WAS: Fwd: missing 'Statement')

Wed Dec 15 17:01:42 PST 2010

where? i can't find this link? All links have been updated. Is your
browser refreshed? All footers say CC0 PD Dedication and links to the
new license.

Jon

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Chris Bartels
<sss at sacredsoundsystems.com> wrote:
> Hi Jon,
>
> I had a quick look at the documents, I presume it's just you hammering at it
> by the lack of response.
>
> Regarding the http://openclipart.org/dmca page, what caught my attention was
> the left side of the footer where it says 'The actual content on open
> clipart library is Public domain'.
>
> That still links to the retired licensing tool on Creative Commons.
>
> I think a more appropriate page for that to link to would be the
> http://openclipart.org/policies page, which contains more along the line of
> what I'm expecting to see when I'm looking to acquire documentation backing
> the stated usage rights.
>
> However, I still feel this http://openclipart.org/policies page could
> provide more in terms of reassuring these rights.
>
>
> EDIT:
>
> This draft has been sitting in my inbox for quite awhile, and lately I
> simply don't have anywhere the time I'd like to be able to spend with this.
>
> I hope to revisit the subject and contribute something tangible at some
> point- it's just not happening now.
>
> I would like to point out a public resource that may be helpful, while also
> providing an opportunity to extend the OpenClipArt spirit into the realm of
> PD legal documentation(s). This resource is a wiki called 'OwnTerms', and it
> can be found at this URL:
> http://ownterms.pbworks.com
>
> I wanted to outline some UX, it'll have to wait.
>
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> -C
>
>
>
> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:32 +0800, "jon at rejon.org" <jon at rejon.org> wrote:
>
> Yep, that's right, thanks chovynz.
>
> C, working on this right now to get out before the next openclipart list.
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openclipart/+spec/dmca-procedure
>
> We have http://openclipart.org/dmca and http://openclipart.org/policies
> which are drafts.
>
> My recommendation is to go with CC Zero Public Domain Dedication tool which
> is closest to our intention and works internationally.
>
> Please comment on those drafts now...you are correct that we must do
> something sooner rather than later.
>
> Could you help by filing those pages as bugs on our bug tracker so we
> remember to fix them. If you find other references, please let us know:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/openclipart
>
> Great!
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:15 AM, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm forwarding this to the clipart list due to a mistake on my part.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Clipart] missing 'Statement'
> To: clipart at sacredsoundsystems.com
>
>
> Hi C
>
> We are in the process of figuring this out ourselves!
>
> With the retirement of CC's Public Domain tool, we are considering various
> routes about where to go from here.
> More info can be found at :
>
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011145.html
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011179.html
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-December/011180.html
>
> We currently have this, but it's not linked to/from anywhere so not really
> accessible to the general public, nor definitive, nor authoritative, nor
> really much accepted. http://www.openclipart.org/about-public-domain
>
> Someone sometime is going to have to make a decision. Until then, I'd say
> most of the cliparts are under CC Public Domain definition (retired). Do
> your due diligence and use good sense when aquiring "free" clipart from
> anywhere. As for the legal status ... PD is PD. Most of the contributions
> are submitted under good faith into the Public Domain from the artists
> themselves. There are however a few "harvesters" that take clipart from
> other places, without permission. Where possible, librarians have marked
> such clipart with the tags pd_issue, copyright violation, potential
> copyright violation, or other tags such as these. Keep your eyes open and
> you should be able to avoid the troublesome ones. Any clipart with logos
> should be treated as unusable or as a copyright violation - and this mailing
> list notified. Same deal with clearly infringing works i.e. Donald Duck
> clipart.
>
> It may take some time for us to make up our collective hive minds about this
> stinging issue. I hope you continue to "bee" with us while we buzz about. We
> need to wax eloquent upon the issues at stake. At some point we'll all swarm
> over it then fly away and do our own thing. Maybee a queen response will
> emerge. Maybee not. In the meantime, the workers will continue to do their
> sweet duty of adding to the collective ...er... I mean collection.
>
> Cheers
> Chovynz
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, <clipart at sacredsoundsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> I'm currently auditing my company's media asset copyright documentation,
> and am writing to inquire as to where I can obtain a copy of
> Openclipart.org's copyright notice.
>
> So far I've located conflicting statements on www.openclipart.org.
>
> At this address:
> http://www.openclipart.org/wiki/About
>
> The copyright statement reads as follows:
> "All graphics submitted to the project are in the Public Domain
> according to the statement by the Creative Commons."
>
> The text 'Public Domain' links to this address:
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
>
> Which states in part:
> "Creative Commons has retired this legal tool and does not recommend
> that it be applied to works."
>
> And goes on in further detail to state:
> "A certifier has taken reasonable steps to verify the copyright status
> of this work."
>
> However this page does not define the term 'reasonable steps', and fails
> to link to any legal documentation to that effect.
>
> Of course this is a publicly-editable wiki, and as far as I'm aware no
> legal precident exists which would allow for it's content to provide any
> expectation of validity in a court of law on any continent. And as such
> further investigation along this vector is rendered moot.
>
> The next Openclipart publication addressing the subject of blanket
> copyright, as per the official website's 'About' tab, at this address:
> http://www.openclipart.org/about
>
> Which states:
> "All graphics submitted to the project should be placed into the Public
> Domain according to the statement by the Creative Commons."
>
> In this case the text 'Public Domain' links to this address:
> http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2?lang=en
>
> Which is the same 'retired legal tool' (as defined by it's publishers)
> which the wiki links to, albeit via an address 1 link depth away from
> this one.
>
> This statement contains a second link in it's text 'Creative Commons'
> which sadly, is equally as unhelpful.
> It links to the Creative Commons Corporation's homepage by means of a
> redirect from here:
> http://www.creativecommons.org/
>
> To here:
> http://creativecommons.org/
>
>
> Perhaps worth noting is that these 2 statements appear to identify a
> policy of blanket coverage defining all hosted content as being public
> domain licensed, with the small exception of the wiki choosing the word
> 'are' as opposed to the less-than-definitive verbage chosen by the
> official Openclipart.org site's version of the same statement and
> instead uses the word 'should'.
>
> Also I see that both these statements refer to that which is described
> by both as 'the statement by the Creative Commons', yet none of this
> text contains a link to said 'statement'.
>
> Of course as luck would have it, this seems it would be the 'statement'
> I need for my audit.
>
>
> If someone would kindly point me toward pertinent, authoritative
> documentation, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> -C
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