[Clipart] leechers and pirates
Jon Phillips
jon at rejon.org
Wed Feb 6 09:38:53 PST 2008
Agree on many points below, but wrt to the technical infrastructure...we
are abundant in artists but not developers/techies to help on our site,
and this has been the case since the beginning...
Regardless of the system, we will always need some technical people to
help out and the bug level has just gotten too high.
Best to focus what technical skills we have and kill the problems asap
rather than create more with the ole system switcheroo deadend/custom
solution.
Jon
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 17:25 +0100, momo at lumenstudio.net wrote:
>
> >> the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY discouraging
>
> Hmmm.. That's what I was afraid of. CCHOST is far too complicated for
> the common web programmer to be easily transformable and I suspect for
> quite some time already that it was a somewhat unclever choice to move
> to this platform (even if I was excited about it at the very
> beginning)... it has a lot of old and unresolved bugs (like the upload
> bug that keeps me from uploading about 150 cliparts or the broken
> links that once in a time keep me away from the cleaning process), and
> very few people willing to contribute code mainly because of its
> complexity.
>
> To tell you the truth I'm a little afraid about OCAL's future because
> of CCHOST's poor user friendliness...
>
> Also, I agree with John when he says "As someone who has contributed a
> file or two here, I am happy to have them spread around. The
> important part is that the clipart is available".
>
> Molumen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: eric.lemerdy
> To: John Olsen ; clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Clipart] leechers and pirates
>
>
> I feel that I am in the target of people :
> "just a little code that they knew they could write, but never
> got around to doing it."
>
> For our defense, the framework stack to reach real ocal code
> is VERY discouraging. I remember how motivated I was to
> contribute Ocal until I checkout the code and suddenly became
> shameful that I was not able to understand a single line of
> code in this framework unless spending days on it. That's
> where I join ckler when he says that such a site can be
> written in a day or so but FROM SCRATCH.
>
> But a I am not a talentuous programmer mysefl and I know this
> is again to defend myself for doing nothing about ocal todo
> list... I practice SDD (Shame Driven Developpement) which
> leads to self-frustration and nothing concrete !
>
>
>
> > Message du 06/02/08 15:50
> > De : "John Olsen"
> > A : clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : [Clipart] leechers and pirates
> >
> > regarding various salvos being fired over clker.com
> etal.:
> >
> > Am I going to the wrong clker.com? The one I visit
> clearly has the
> > author as one of the tags and you can sort by that -
> so that molomen
> > and Liftarn submissions can be seen together. i see
> a few of my
> > submissions are popular this week. When I click on
> one and go to it's
> > page right under the site title it says "Johnny
> Automatic greedy man"
> >
> > I don't want to get into a name calling debate, but
> it seems to me
> > that "leechers and pirates" have one admirable
> advantage over our
> > little group - they talk a lot less and work a lot
> more. I'm gonna
> > judge this site by results.
> >
> > How refreshing to go to a site focused on visual art
> - clipart and see
> > - OMG - a page full of pictures of clipart!
> >
> > People go to OCAL looking for clipart. God help them
> trying to find
> > it. The most likely thing they'll see is a blog feed
> from someone
> > else's blog and words - lots of words. In fact for
> something that is
> > dedicated to visual art, it profoundly
> misunderstands the power of
> > design and visuals.
> >
> > As someone who has contributed a file or two here, I
> am happy to have
> > them spread around. The important part is that the
> clipart is
> > available. Much of the art I upload is repurposed
> from public domain
> > old books. I see that as liberating it to be
> repurposed and used by
> > more people than ever would if it just sat lost in a
> book. Was that
> > the intent of the original illustrator? Almost
> certainly not. But it
> > is now in the PD and is there for people to use and
> reinvent.
> >
> > Now I'm done talking - I have uploading and
> librarian work to do. I
> > am in the middle of uploading about 500 files from
> the old library by
> > hand because I have just given up on all the people
> that have come and
> > gone here spouting off how easy something would be
> to do with just a
> > little code that they knew they could write, but
> never got around to
> > doing it.
> >
> > But I can't fix bugs or add site features by brute
> force.
> >
> > A car is faster than walking, but if I start walking
> and the car never
> > comes, who gets there first?
> >
> > John Olsen/Johnny Automatic
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