[Clipart] leechers and pirates

[momo at lumenstudio.net]

>> the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY discouraging

Hmmm.. That's what I was afraid of. CCHOST is far too complicated for the common web programmer to be easily transformable and I suspect for quite some time already that it was a somewhat unclever choice to move to this platform (even if I was excited about it at the very beginning)... it has a lot of old and unresolved bugs (like the upload bug that keeps me from uploading about 150 cliparts or the broken links that once in a time keep me away from the cleaning process), and very few people willing to contribute code mainly because of its complexity.

To tell you the truth I'm a little afraid about OCAL's future because of CCHOST's poor user friendliness...

Also, I agree with John when he says "As someone who has contributed a file or two here, I am happy to have them spread around.  The important part is that the clipart is available". 

Molumen

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: eric.lemerdy 
  To: John Olsen ; clipart at lists.freedesktop.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Clipart] leechers and pirates



  I feel that I am in the target of people :
  "just a little code that they knew they could write, but never got around to doing it."

  For our defense, the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY discouraging. I remember how motivated I was to contribute Ocal until I checkout the code and suddenly became shameful that I was not able to understand a single line of code in this framework unless spending days on it. That's where I join ckler when he says that such a site can be written in a day or so but FROM SCRATCH.

  But a I am not a talentuous programmer mysefl and I know this is again to defend myself for doing nothing about ocal todo list... I practice SDD (Shame Driven Developpement) which leads to self-frustration and nothing concrete !





    > Message du 06/02/08 15:50
    > De : "John Olsen" 
    > A : clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
    > Copie à : 
    > Objet : [Clipart] leechers and pirates
    >
    > regarding various salvos being fired over clker.com etal.:
    > 
    > Am I going to the wrong clker.com? The one I visit clearly has the 
    > author as one of the tags and you can sort by that - so that molomen 
    > and Liftarn submissions can be seen together. i see a few of my 
    > submissions are popular this week. When I click on one and go to it's 
    > page right under the site title it says "Johnny Automatic greedy man"
    > 
    > I don't want to get into a name calling debate, but it seems to me 
    > that "leechers and pirates" have one admirable advantage over our 
    > little group - they talk a lot less and work a lot more. I'm gonna 
    > judge this site by results.
    > 
    > How refreshing to go to a site focused on visual art - clipart and see 
    > - OMG - a page full of pictures of clipart!
    > 
    > People go to OCAL looking for clipart. God help them trying to find 
    > it. The most likely thing they'll see is a blog feed from someone 
    > else's blog and words - lots of words. In fact for something that is 
    > dedicated to visual art, it profoundly misunderstands the power of 
    > design and visuals.
    > 
    > As someone who has contributed a file or two here, I am happy to have 
    > them spread around. The important part is that the clipart is 
    > available. Much of the art I upload is repurposed from public domain 
    > old books. I see that as liberating it to be repurposed and used by 
    > more people than ever would if it just sat lost in a book. Was that 
    > the intent of the original illustrator? Almost certainly not. But it 
    > is now in the PD and is there for people to use and reinvent.
    > 
    > Now I'm done talking - I have uploading and librarian work to do. I 
    > am in the middle of uploading about 500 files from the old library by 
    > hand because I have just given up on all the people that have come and 
    > gone here spouting off how easy something would be to do with just a 
    > little code that they knew they could write, but never got around to 
    > doing it.
    > 
    > But I can't fix bugs or add site features by brute force.
    > 
    > A car is faster than walking, but if I start walking and the car never 
    > comes, who gets there first?
    > 
    > John Olsen/Johnny Automatic
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