[Clipart] Fwd: misuse of one of our images

Tue Jun 22 00:41:13 PDT 2010

So the question I have is this.
What am I supposed to do with all clipart from Radicalgraphics?

Is this a case of "Unreliable Source" and therefore we can't trust the 
verifiability of these cliparts being Public Domain?
John Olsen thinks this discussion root is a legitimate takedown request, 
and after what I've looked into, I support that view.
It's also the second time Radicalclipart has come up with copyrighted 
clipart, for OCAL.

Do I remove the clipart known to be from radicalgraphics, or leave them 
on the site until/IF people send us a Takedown request?

Note : I am not in anyway suggesting anything of Liftarn. I'm asking 
about the reliability of RadicalGraphics, which is where these cliparts 
are from, and what our response as an OCAL team is going to be once the 
second black mark against RadicalGraphics has been shown up. The fact 
that RG does not have a terms of use policy makes me on alert and 
careful about any clipart from there. The stated aim of RG also leads me 
to think it might not be ok to have their clipart on OCAL.

In my mind there are three strikes against their clipart being able to 
be used by OCAL.

    * An "anti-authoritain" and other "anti" website, (Not that there's
      anything wrong with that, just how people with that mindset
      operate lead me to believe that they don't care where useful
      images come from,)
    * No specified Terms of Upload or Terms of Use
    * Twice caught with copyrighted images.

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to remove these 
cliparts from OCAL's library. (Hiding it, marked as potential copyright 
violation, and deleting them once that function is available.)

Do you other OCAL team members concur or disagree?

Cheers
Chovynz

On 22/06/2010 5:01 p.m., Jarod Russel wrote:
> I am afraid I don't have enough time to go through his 260 cliparts. I 
> simply clicked a bunch of his submission randomly. Every of those 
> submissions has an external link of a website in it. Thats why I 
> suggested to check better the whole collection.
>
> Here are other images from radicalgraphics
>
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1093
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1083
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1086
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1078
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1065
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1069
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1076
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1070
>
> We had a discussion here on the list about the red pirate ship image 
> quite a while ago. If I remember right radicalgraphics stated that 
> anyone could have uploaded this image to their website and that the 
> rights aren't clear.
>
> I am also concerned about this graphic
>
> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/11204
>
> In the description is stated it is converted from a CD. They might be 
> more than this one.
>
> Other cliparts I have checked where from wiki.commons or wp-clipart. 
> Those should be fine.
>
> Am 22-Jun-10 01:16 PM, schrieb chovynz:
>> I've had a brief look. We can certainly hide it for now, until it's 
>> sorted out.
>>
>> Some thoughts.
>> 1) OCAL's version was uploaded on at 2006-10-31 14:09:13. Three and a 
>> half years ago.
>> 2) OCAL's version states it came from 
>> http://radicalgraphics.org/collection/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Resistance&id=Resist02 
>>
>> 3) Can Ron and Joe provide proof the original is theirs? When was 
>> their one uploaded? (I'm not being difficult, just asking for proof.) 
>> They have stated it's theirs, now I would like to see proof. A terms 
>> of use from their site would be nice too, since it's also possible 
>> someone "bought" a copy, then uploaded it.
>> 4) Radicalgraphics might not be a reliable source. I can't find a 
>> terms of use, or terms of upload, other than the front page.
>>
>> I've hidden the cookingpot clipart for now, while this is being 
>> sorted out.
>>
>> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1084
>>
>>
>> @Jarod
>> "In the quick look I had on Liftarn's submission just now it looks 
>> like most or all of his submissions are traced images from other 
>> websites. Often wiki.commons but I found another image from 
>> radicalgraphics and several from other sites. Maybe a librarian 
>> should look over the whole collection. "
>>
>> Since you've already had a look, can you find out which ones are 
>> suspect, and give me a list? (Please make a new topic addressed to 
>> clipart and CC me.) Take special note of ones traced from 
>> radicalgraphics.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chovynz
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22/06/2010 12:43 p.m., Jon Phillips wrote:
>>> Hi all, what do you guys think about this? Can a librarian look into
>>> this issue? Liftarn submitted this...
>>>
>>> While normally a lawyer would advise us to keep this all private, we
>>> should discuss this stuff when it happens.
>>>
>>> Ron has been cool about this, but we should definitely look into if
>>> this is a problematic clipart, and respond or delete it.
>>>
>>> Liftarn, are you on this list? Bassel, did you get the emailing users
>>> capability added? We really need to be able to message artists and
>>> others now to get info about cliparts.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Ron Romain<ron at ronandjoe.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:04 AM
>>> Subject: misuse of one of our images
>>> To: jon at rejon.org
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ron Romain<ron at ronandjoe.com>
>>> Subject: misuse of one of our images
>>>
>>> Message Body:
>>> Hi Jon.
>>>
>>> My name is Ron from Ron and Joe, Inc. - creators of Art Parts Clip
>>> Art. A customer of ours ran across one of our images on your
>>> openclipart.org site.
>>>
>>> Here's a link to the image on your site: 
>>> http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1084
>>>
>>> Here's a link to our image on our site:
>>> http://www.ronandjoe.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=APTS-007350 
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you please make sure that this image is removed from your site
>>> as soon as possible, then reply to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Ron Romain
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> This mail is sent via contact form on rejon.org is Jon Phillips.
>>> http://rejon.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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