[compiz] Re: Discussion about Compiz and working togeher

[Quinn Storm]

This is of course just my opinion, but I believe that when leading a
project where you want community support it works far better to reach
out to the community rather than making them reach out to you.  Also it
helps to be open about your reasons for doing things and willing to
discuss.

In general, it at least 'feels' as though development is rather closed,
with any possibility of getting code into the main source tree being at
best a procedural headache.  This may not be the case or what you are
trying for, but it is how it feels from here, and why, in part, I think
the community has done what it's done.

I understand you are busy with many things, but another common
complaint is that you never talk with the community, never post on
compiz.net, and rarely post here.

In the end, I think I'll let the statistics speak for themselves.  Most
people using compiz are using the community compiz tree, or packages
made from it.

I don't want there to be any animosity, but perhaps our ideas of the
direction for this project are simply too different.  If that is the
case then it would simply be in everyone's best interest to have an
amicable fork.

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:13:21 -0400
David Reveman <davidr at novell.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 15:03 -0400, Shawn Starr wrote:
> > I would like to get a better understanding as to why
> > Quinn's patches have not been accepted into the compiz
> > git tree.
> 
> I haven't seen a lot of patches being sent to neither me or the compiz
> list. Some of the few patches I've seen have been temporary solutions
> or ugly workarounds for problems that have more proper solutions. I'm
> definitely willing to accept patches but I wont push in some ugly
> patch just because it adds some additional functionality, I rather
> wait for the proper solution.
> 
> > 
> > I feel Quinn's patches could greatly improve compiz.
> > She has made quite a lot of progress wrt to enhancing
> > compiz with her cgwd window decorator which allows
> > users to write their own themes for window
> > decorations.
> 
> cgwd seems great and all additional plugins are also great. I'm not
> sure this stuff needs to be in the compiz repository but I'm willing
> to add things if people wants that.
> 
> > 
> > Also, many of the plugins that are in compiz.net are
> > MIT or GPL based and It would be great if you could
> > merge them into compiz git.
> 
> I'll try to get around writing some better version handling in the
> next couple of days, this will make it a lot easier to host plugins
> separately.
> 
> > 
> > David, It would be great if compiz could become more
> > open to development from outside in cooperation with
> > yourself, plus it would be helpful if compiz could
> > determine if it was in Xgl or AIGLX mode. I believe
> > Quinn has some patches to allow for this. 
> 
> I'll try to report more of what I'm working on and my plans to the
> list. Others should do the same to make sure that what they're
> working is something we can agree on being the proper way to move
> forward.
> 
> There shouldn't be a need for a xgl and aiglx mode. I'm sitting on a
> patch which will make xgl support use of the overlay window, I just
> need to verify that it's working before I push it upstream. If aiglx
> needs the --strict-binding option then we should probably make that
> default but other then that it should be working as it is.
> 
> -David
>