[compiz] Re: Beryl Merger

David Reveman davidr at novell.com
Sun Apr 1 22:02:42 PDT 2007

This was a private mail and not supposed to go to the compiz list.
Please don't don't read it unless you're on the compiz admin list. :)

I've apologized to Jeff, Mike, Rico and Arturo for making this mistake
and I'd like to apologize to anyone else who might have been offended by

I guess the good part is that you get an uncensored view of what we feel
about the community merge situation.

It looks like I'm actually one of the stupid people in our community.

- David

On Mon, 2007-04-02 at 06:21 +0200, David Reveman wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 20:11 -0400, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > If you've been following the discussion on the forum and/or compizadmin list, 
> > you can see that we aren't getting anywhere with these discussions. The 
> > hangup seems to be selecting a new name for the Compiz-Extra division. The 
> > Beryl people feel it's the only thing they're asking for and they won't 
> > concede this point.
> > 
> > In case you're not up to speed the general idea is that the divisions we 
> > created would remain as we agreed Compiz-Core and the compiz package name 
> > would remain unchanged. The Compiz-Extra division would reunite with Beryl 
> > under a new name. The current opinions:
> > 
> > Mike - Doesn't really want to merge and just wants to try and get some of 
> > their devs.
> > 
> > Rico - Wants to merge but doesn't want to change the name. Thinks they should 
> > just return to compiz and we can talk about the name change at some time in 
> > the future.
> > 
> > Arturo and me - We're fine with a name change. In fact I think we should 
> > rename Compiz-Extra no matter what.
> > 
> > It's really important that you express your opinion on the compizadmin list. 
> > We are at a stalemate here and the opportunity to merge is fading.
> I haven't read the forum posts but I've read your mails to the admin
> list and considering that beryl folks haven't proved to be me most
> reasonable people before, I'm amazed what you have been able to make
> them agree to.
> I'm sure that by accepting all the beryl community members into the
> compiz-extra division we're accepting some people that can be really
> helpful but also a lot of stupid people that we would do much better
> without. However, I don't think that matters. For us to be successful we
> need to be able to allow really stupid people to join too and I would
> hate if the good people from the beryl community wouldn't be able to
> join due to all the stupid people in their community.
> I agree that compiz-extra needs a new name anyhow, which means that
> we're not giving up a lot here. We'll have, if not more, at least as
> much control of the compiz-extra division as the beryl people so we
> don't have to worry about it hiding the fact that it's a compiz based
> project, like beryl has done so successfully.
> I suggest that we agree to the name change of compiz-extra and get this
> merge thing past us as quickly as possible. The name doesn't have to be
> decided before the merge of the communities happen. Deciding what name
> to use can be one of the first tasks as a joint community.
> I hope we can get to an agreement that all of you are OK with.

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