[CREATE] ink/paper simulation

[Louis Desjardins]

I just realise again that the Create Mailing List doen’t show into the 
cc list and thus I have to resend this post. Sorry for the bother guys.

Can someone fix this, please?

Louis

Louis Desjardins a écrit :
> Alastair M. Robinson a écrit :
>> Hi :)
>>
>> Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>>
>>> Well, one of the users came up with a very smart idea: a (Corel
>>> Painter-like) tool to simulate real paper and inks to see what
>>> actually would happen to glyphs printed with a small font size with
>>> different inks on different surfaces and with different colors, taking
>>> trapping into consideration as well, especially on problematic parts
>>> of shapes (narrow serifs, stroke variation etc., I fancy). A
>>> font-proof, in fact. So a type designer could see this and apply
>>> tweaks to his design.
>>
>> Hmmmm - very interesting idea.  There are a huge number of variables 
>> to take into account, though.
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> Let’s not turn this into something unusable. (Such as the paper formats 
> in Scribus.) A huge list of whatever-can-be-the-printed-media is going 
> to be completely useless. Please. Let’s not do that. Even if it’s so 
> temptating again to let the whole world WE KNOW BETTER. We don’t.
> 
> And who cares anyway?
> 
> Really.
> 
> Let’s give a mean to users so they can set the background to whatever 
> they wish in order to simulate the printing media. That is ok. (And btw, 
> this is completely into the scope of color management). Let’s give some 
> useful hints. But let’s not ask paper makers of the world to provide us 
> with color info of their papers. We are never going to get out of this. 
> The list is going to be endless and as useless as one can think a 
> useless thing can be. Even if we can edit the list. Nobody but newbies 
> are going to use this list and in the end it will be of no help to 
> anybody. In this particular case, it is better to understand what’s 
> going on than provide tools nobody will ever use.
> 
> This will be my only post on that subject. I am not ready at all to 
> discuss this further as I find it is leading us absolutely nowhere.
> 
> Louis
>>
>> I see several aspects to this, though there may well be others that 
>> I've missed.
>>
>> 1. Simulating paper colour - easy enough given colour profiles for 
>> media and monitor.
>>
>> 2. Simulating the effect of media texture.  This is where the effects 
>> used by natural media painting programs are relevant - though I 
>> suspect they're more of an artistic effect than rigorous simulation.
>>
>> 2, Simulating the distortion caused by compromises in printing 
>> technology - i.e. such as, (a) how easily do the enclosure in an "e" 
>> fill in as ink spreads on uncoated paper, (b) how easily do strokes 
>> start to disappear if you attempt to reverse them out of solid black 
>> or (God forbid!) a composite colour, (c) how does the halftone screen 
>> interact with character shapes at small sizes when various colours are 
>> chosen.
>>
>>> 1. Is anybody else thinking that it's a good idea?
>>
>> Defintely
>>
>>> 5. Is anybody volunteering? :)
>>
>> Sadly, I no longer have enough time to make good progress on my 
>> existing projects, so I can't take on anything else at the moment.  
>> Interesting ideas though, and I hope someone will be able to do 
>> something with it.
>>
>> All the best,
>> -- 
>> Alastair M. Robinson
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