[gst-devel] Daily IRC logs

[wim.taymans at chello.be]

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[06:50] <ajmitch> hey all
[07:04] <chillywilly> anyone gstreamer hackers here?
[07:04] <chillywilly> s/anyone/any
[07:11] Nick change: ajmitch -> aj_food
[07:12] Action: taaz wishes he had time for gst hacking...
[07:12] <chillywilly> hey
[07:13] <chillywilly> where do you guys use threads at?
[07:13] <chillywilly> I am justs curious
[07:13] <chillywilly> granted I also know nothing about how gst works :o
[07:14] Action: chillywilly is writing a multithreaded C++ simulation library
[07:14] <taaz> i'd better not answer... i probably will end up telling you the wrong thing
[07:14] <chillywilly> just say it
[07:14] <chillywilly> if it's wrong it won't matter anyway
[07:15] <taaz> i think you can put any element into a thread
[07:15] <chillywilly> yeah I know how I am going to use threads
[07:16] <chillywilly> either the simulation will be process-based or event-based and either an event or a process with be encapsulated into a thread
[07:17] <chillywilly> so I could simulate a grocery store with multiple threads of single server single queue simulations, etc.
[07:17] <taaz> why do you need threads?
[07:17] <chillywilly> more real world
[07:17] <chillywilly> can have multiple things happening concurrently
[07:19] <chillywilly> I am probably gonna make an abstract thread class then derive event and process from that
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[07:20] <chillywilly> netsplit
[07:21] <taaz> one idea is to make it non-threaded for max efficiency on single cpus... only time a simulation needs threads is really if you are doing distributed processing on multiple processors.  in that case put the non-threaded parts into thread containers with sync stuff on the boarders...
[07:23] <chillywilly> yeah, I have a couple libs that I am looking at
[07:23] <chillywilly> one use threads the other doesn't
[07:23] <chillywilly> uses
[07:24] <taaz> hold up.. shouldn't you be hacking gstreamer instead of whatever else? ;)
[07:24] <chillywilly> nope
[07:24] <chillywilly> I am doign this ina  class
[07:24] <chillywilly> it's also being evaluated for inclusion into GNU
[07:25] <chillywilly> GNU Sim or GSim for short ;)
[07:26] <chillywilly> I am using the GSL for mist of the random number genration
[07:26] <taaz> is it done?
[07:26] <chillywilly> and random number distributions
[07:26] <chillywilly> yes, it is usable
[07:26] <chillywilly> it's at 0.7
[07:26] <chillywilly> I think
[07:26] <chillywilly> also
[07:26] Action: taaz laughs
[07:27] <taaz> as if version numbers mean anything about the state of the project ;)
[07:27] <chillywilly> I am gonna yse GSDV - GNU Sicnetific Data Visualization, written by some italian freinds
[07:27] <chillywilly> I know
[07:27] <chillywilly> :P
[07:27] <chillywilly> it workd pretty well though
[07:27] <chillywilly> works
[07:28] <chillywilly> I actually wrote a small libgslcpp, maybe I will contribute it back to GSL
[07:28] <chillywilly> not worried about that right now, though
[07:29] Action: chillywilly is not that rcazy about C++, justs that they make me use it
[07:30] <taaz> they can't "make" you use it... 
[07:30] <chillywilly> also, using threads should be fun anyway and help with some HURD hacking ;) knowledge
[07:30] <chillywilly> sure they can
[07:30] <chillywilly> it's friggin school
[07:30] <taaz> hah... thread sync stuff sucks big time...  hours of pain in your future ;)
[07:30] <chillywilly> I know
[07:31] <chillywilly> there are lots of nice bugs in the HURD
[07:31] <chillywilly> race conditions
[07:31] <chillywilly> all sorts of goodies
[07:31] Action: chillywilly has a FreeBSD PPP port for the HURD get working
[07:32] <chillywilly> to get working
[07:32] <chillywilly> oh and then there's GNU Enterprise
[07:33] <chillywilly> I justs keep adding all this shit to the list
[07:33] <chillywilly> and that little project ajmitch and I started
[07:44] Nick change: aj_food -> ajmitch
[08:19] Nick change: taaz -> taazzzz
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[13:26] Nick change: ajmitch -> aj_zzzz
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[17:30] <wtay-sleeping> yo
[17:30] Nick change: wtay-sleeping -> wtay
[17:30] <sienap> hej wtay
[17:30] <sienap> had a good night ? :)
[17:30] <wtay> yeah
[17:31] <sienap> *G* :)
[17:31] <sienap> so who is the dominant one of you two in bed ? :) *hides*
[17:32] <sienap> hmm i am going to try this bonobo control thingy via glade :)
[17:33] <sienap> it is not in libglade yet however..
[17:33] <wtay> 5000$ ? :-)
[17:33] <sienap> HE ?
[17:34] <wtay> 5000$ for the one who does the best multimedia control for nautilus
[17:34] <sienap> he
[17:34] <sienap> where ?
[17:34] <sienap> where did you saw that ?
[17:34] <wtay> dunno
[17:35] <wtay> should cover your expenses for next years GUADEC :-)
[17:35] <sienap> he for sure :)
[17:35] <sienap> he :)
[17:35] <sienap> if gstraemer had some nice bonobo controls it is relative easy :)
[17:36] <sienap> you know the smart icon andy is working on ?
[17:36] <wtay> but then again I would have cashed the money by now already :-)
[17:36] <sienap> *me thinks* hold mice above movie... there comes some kind of "cloud" cloud contains little player..
[17:36] <sienap> he
[17:49] <sienap> het is trouwens ook een componenten framework :)
[17:49] <sienap> oops ;)
[17:49] <sienap> he
[17:49] <sienap> damn :)
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[18:00] <wtay> yo
[18:01] <steveb> hi
[18:01] <steveb> recovered from guadac?
[18:01] <wtay> heh, yeah
[18:02] Nick change: taazzzz -> taaz
[18:02] <taaz> wasnt that $5k thing through sourceXchange which is now dead?
[18:02] <wtay> taaz: it is?
[18:02] <sienap> he
[18:02] <wtay> hmm
[18:03] <steveb> i've got an almost working int2float/float2int plugin working - am starting to grok ladspa
[18:03] <wtay> steveb: cool
[18:03] <wtay> no problems?
[18:04] <steveb> i'm not happy with the way I implemented caps nego, but i'll talk to you about that when I submit the plugin
[18:04] <wtay> ok
[18:07] <wtay> I'm now changing the nego function so that the counter is gone in favor of a generic user_data pointer
[18:09] <sienap> he
[18:09] <sienap> wtay i aws 5 hours to late on school today :)
[18:09] <wtay> not good
[18:09] <sienap> never overslept my self that much..
[18:12] <steveb> wtay: can you elaborate?
[18:12] <wtay> currently a counter (gint) is passed to the negotiate function do that the element can keep track of the process
[18:13] <wtay> I'm changing this to a gpointer so that the element can do whatever it wants to keep track
[18:13] <wtay> the counter is not good to iterate a list of caps for example
[18:14] <steveb> so each element has its own unique gpointer?
[18:14] <wtay> unique to the caps negotiation process
[18:14] <steveb> ok
[18:15] <wtay> it's set to NULL initialy and the element can put some data in there that will be passed to subsequent negotiation calls
[18:15] <wtay> we'll see if this is better...
[18:16] <steveb> btw, do you have a justification for initiating caps at src
[18:16] <steveb> ?
[18:17] <wtay> usually caps are set on the src pad...
[18:17] <wtay> it can be the other way around too 
[18:17] <wtay> the element will then call gst_pad_renegotiate () on its sink pad
[18:17] <steveb> but is the current convention for it to start at the src?
[18:18] <steveb> i mean the top of the pipeline
[18:18] <wtay> top of the pipeline?
[18:18] <wtay> oh you mean the leftmost element...
[18:18] <steveb> start of the chain, first src, whatever
[18:18] <steveb> yeah leftmost
[18:19] <wtay> it makes the most sense I think
[18:20] <steveb> here is a scenario I have being thinking about which makes a case for starting nego at the right-most element...
[18:20] Nick change: taaz -> taaz-away
[18:20] <wtay> steveb: it sould be possible too
[18:20] <wtay> how would that work?
[18:21] <wtay> the scenario I mean
[18:22] <steveb> If you presume that converging paths (mixers) are more common than diverging paths (tees) then if caps start at the right-most element then the mixer can negotiate with all its left elements and maybe end up with a more efficient mix because more of the elements will agree with the default caps
[18:23] Action: steveb breaths in
[18:23] <wtay> yeah, that makes sense...
[18:24] <steveb> therefore less conversions for the mixer to make
[18:25] <wtay> this can get very complex...
[18:26] <steveb> yeah
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[18:45] <sienap> hmm
[18:45] <sienap> i am of meeting a mate in hoogeveen :)
[18:45] <sienap> *long trip with train*
[18:46] <wtay> cya
[18:46] <wtay> hi ChiefHighwater, dobey
[18:46] <dobey> eh
[18:46] <wtay> dobey: had a good time last night?
[18:47] <dobey> if sleep is a good time
[18:47] <wtay> hmm
[18:47] <sienap> he
[18:47] <sienap> hmm
[18:48] <sienap> sander is in etteleur
[18:48] <sienap> 1.5  hours to nijmegen
[18:48] <sienap> then i join in and 2 hours to hoogeveen
[18:48] <sienap> :)
[18:48] <dobey> at least i don't have to work friday/monday
[18:50] <sienap> you don't like to work at gnome ? :)
[18:51] <dobey> i'll be working on gnome somewhat
[18:51] <dobey> friday anyway
[18:51] <dobey> but i'll be on a train all day
[18:51] <sienap> all day
[18:51] <sienap> damn..
[18:51] <sienap> :)
[18:51] <sienap> must be boring
[18:53] <ChiefHighwater> hope you have long life batteries for your laptop, or at least a good book
[18:53] <sienap> WAAAAAAAAAH bonobo control via glade is COOOOOOOOL
[18:54] Nick change: dobey -> dobey-eat
[18:54] <ChiefHighwater> hehe
[18:55] <sienap> man
[19:04] Nick change: wtay -> wtay-eating
[19:23] <sienap>   7:33pm  up 99 days, 17 min, 12 users,  load average: 0.24, 0.10, 0.10
[19:23] <sienap> *G*
[19:45] Nick change: wtay-eating -> wtay
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[19:48] <hadess> hi gang
[19:48] <wtay> yo
[19:50] <ChiefHighwater> ello
[19:51] <hadess> hi wtay, ChiefHighwater
[19:54] Nick change: aj_zzzz -> ajmitch
[19:54] <hadess> hi ajmitch
[19:55] <wtay> yo ajmitch
[19:55] <ajmitch> hi
[19:58] <ajmitch> what's up?
[19:58] <ajmitch> what was sienap on about when he talked of the bonobo control via glade?
[19:58] <sienap> bye all
[19:58] <ajmitch> bye
[19:58] <sienap> have to go to the train station..
[19:58] <ajmitch> ;)
[19:58] <sienap> ajmitch cvs glade uit of gnome cvs
[19:58] <sienap>  ./configure --with-bonobo
[19:58] <sienap> enjoy..
[19:59] <sienap> you can add bonobo controls now..
[19:59] <sienap> COOOL
[19:59] <sienap> it doesn'tw ork with libglade yet
[19:59] <ajmitch> sienap: thought so...
[19:59] <sienap> but it will be in verry soon..
[19:59] <ajmitch> :(
[19:59] <ajmitch> :)
[19:59] <sienap> it is COOL COOL COOOOOOOOOOOL
[19:59] <sienap> however
[19:59] <sienap> later :)
[19:59] <sienap> i am off to hoogeven :)
[19:59] <ajmitch> bye
[19:59] <sienap> hoogeveen zelfs :)
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[20:14] <wtay> yo
[20:14] <fmchat> hello
[20:14] Nick change: fmchat -> Ciagon
[20:15] <Ciagon> are you one of the developers?
[20:15] <wtay> I am supposed to be one :-)
[20:15] <Ciagon> cool
[20:16] <Ciagon> are there any gstreamer capture apps yet?
[20:16] <wtay> no real apps yet, just examples...
[20:16] <Ciagon> hrm
[20:16] <Ciagon> are there any issues with audio sync?
[20:16] <hadess> mind has the code, but it's disabled
[20:16] <hadess> mine even, my app
[20:17] <Ciagon> i see
[20:17] <wtay> hadess is doing a v4l capture app
[20:17] <Ciagon> but if someone wanted to write a serious capture app using gstreamer, would gstreamer be able to sync well?
[20:17] <wtay> yes
[20:17] <Ciagon> cool
[20:17] <hadess> Ciagon: do you mean that my app is not serious ?
[20:18] <Ciagon> has there been any talk of a mpeg4 file source (or sinc) ?
[20:18] <Ciagon> er whatever
[20:18] <Ciagon> you said the code is disabled
[20:18] <ajmitch> ouch, i only have 7MB swap free....
[20:19] <wtay> Ciagon: there is an mpeg4 codec in gstreamer using the win32 dlls
[20:19] <hadess> Ciagon: the code is disabled because i can't plug a pipeline to the pad of a tee on the fly
[20:19] <Ciagon> I'm more interested in the mpeg4 file format, not the codec its self
[20:19] <Ciagon> oic
[20:19] <wtay> hmm ok
[20:19] <wtay> an mpeg4 demuxer you mean then...
[20:19] <Ciagon> yeah
[20:20] <wtay> I have no specs nor examples for that... :(
[20:20] <Ciagon> hrm
[20:20] <Ciagon> If it isn't too hard, I'll give it a shot
[20:21] <Ciagon> I just need to get the spec
[20:21] <wtay> cool
[20:21] <Ciagon> but I can probably get that from project mayo
[20:21] <wtay> mpeg4 is rather large too
[20:21] <Ciagon> large in what way?
[20:21] <wtay> lots of stuff you can do with it
[20:21] <Ciagon> oh yeah
[20:22] <ajmitch> heh
[20:22] <wtay> like speach and 3D etc..
[20:22] <Ciagon> i think I would just do the basic profile
[20:22] <wtay> s/speach/speech
[20:22] <Ciagon> yeah, it's crazy
[20:23] <Ciagon> is there anything that directshow can do that gstreamer can't?
[20:23] <wtay> when we are done with gstreamer there won't be anything :-)
[20:24] <Ciagon> cool
[20:24] <wtay> I'd say we can do a lot more
[20:24] <Ciagon> do you guys know directshow well?
[20:24] <wtay> no, not very well
[20:24] <wtay> just reading the docs
[20:24] <Ciagon> hrm
[20:27] <wtay> you know D$?
[20:28] <hadess> wtay: damn that so l33t, D$ by M$
[20:28] <wtay> hadess: I'm so 1337 and you know it :-)
[20:29] <hadess> yeah =)
[20:30] <Ciagon> If I wanted to make a GstElement that sent information directally to my app that called it, what would I need to do?
[20:31] <wtay> hmm, not sure...
[20:31] <wtay> you can always make an element that signals the app with the buffer
[20:32] <Ciagon> hrm, that's what I thought
[20:32] <wtay> I'm not sure if you can just create a pad and connect an element to it...
[20:32] <Ciagon> I am having this problem right now with direct show
[20:32] <wtay> need to do it the same way in DS?
[20:32] <Ciagon> yeah
[20:32] <wtay> s/DS/D$ :-)
[20:32] <Ciagon> I am writing a commercial removing app
[20:33] <wtay> removing app?
[20:33] <Ciagon> yeah, you give it 35 min of video, it give you back 22 min of video (- the commercials)
[20:33] <ajmitch> nice ;)
[20:34] <Ciagon> but I have filters that calculate the average brightness of a frame, and I need to be able to send the info to my app
[20:34] <wtay> very usuful
[20:34] <Ciagon> right now I just write the info to a file, wait until it's dont, then read back in the file
[20:34] <Ciagon> dont=done
[20:34] <wtay> we could extend the idenity plugin in gstreamer and add the signal 
[20:35] <wtay> s/idenity/identity
[20:35] <Ciagon> so that would make this easier?
[20:35] <wtay> what is the format of the calculations?
[20:35] Nick change: dobey-eat -> dobey
[20:36] <Ciagon> well, that's just one example
[20:36] <wtay> maybe you can just pipe into another plugin without writing it to disk
[20:36] <Ciagon> but it just returns an int
[20:36] <wtay> ok
[20:37] <wtay> what about a filter that just removes (don't push it out) the frame if the brightness is below a threshold?
[20:38] <wtay> any info for the app is done with signals in gstreamer
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[21:07] <dobey> hrmm
[21:08] <dobey> that was odd
[21:09] <wtay> what£?
[21:09] <dobey> an app that removes commercials
[21:09] <dobey> ie.. something to pirate tv
[21:10] <wtay> I like it
[21:10] <dobey> it doesn't sound very dependable
[21:11] <wtay> imagine recording a video of a tv program without commercials...
[21:12] <dobey> there's no real dependable way of doing it without manually removing a group of frames
[21:13] <wtay> some tv stations add VBI info when comercials are on..
[21:14] <dobey> what about videos already recorded though?
[21:14] <dobey> does tivo store commercials?
[21:14] <wtay> I doubt it..
[21:24] Nick change: wtay -> wtay-t
[21:24] Nick change: wtay-t -> wtay-tv
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[22:02] <dobey> wb
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[22:51] <zaheer> yo
[22:51] <dobey> eh
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[22:52] <ajmitch> hi
[22:52] <dobey> eh
[22:52] <wtay-tv> yo
[22:52] Action: dobey falls over dead
[22:53] <zaheer> yo aj
[22:55] Action: ajmitch needs more ram
[22:55] Action: dobey needs more sloppy code
[22:56] <ajmitch>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[22:56] <ajmitch> Mem:        384184     382492       1692          0       4976      90324
[22:56] <ajmitch> -/+ buffers/cache:     287192      96992
[22:56] <ajmitch> Swap:       275296     226684      48612
[22:56] <ajmitch> there was 7mb swap free b4 ;)
[23:00] <zaheer> 384Mb ram?
[23:00] <dobey>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[23:00] <dobey> Mem:        189792     187480       2312     181884       1884      86684
[23:00] <dobey> -/+ buffers/cache:      98912      90880
[23:00] <dobey> Swap:        43844          0      43844
[23:00] <dobey> hrmm
[23:00] <dobey> hah
[23:00] <zaheer> what you running on there to take it all up?
[23:00] <zaheer> Nautilus (in full whack), Evolution, Gnome 1.4 and Mozilla?
[23:01] <dobey> no
[23:01] <dobey> that wouldn't do it
[23:01] <ajmitch> mozilla, evolution, gnome 1.4 ;)
[23:01] <zaheer> good guess eh? :)
[23:01] <ajmitch> evolution was taking lie 85MB, X was taking 125MB
[23:02] <dobey> haha
[23:02] <dobey> video card
[23:02] <zaheer> pixbuf related memory usage for X
[23:02] <ajmitch> it's only an 8mb card
[23:02] <ajmitch> zaheer: yeah, that's what i thought, i had several images viewers open as well ;)
[23:03] <ajmitch> ah, and emacs is open ;)
[23:04] <zaheer> thats a normal scenario
[23:05] <zaheer> you havent even opened *gasp* staroffice
[23:05] <dobey> that's me now, er something
[23:05] <ajmitch> i don't have staroffice, but i had gnumeric open ;)
[23:05] <ajmitch> i don't have netscape 4.x either ;)
[23:05] <zaheer> brb
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[23:50] <hadess> hey zaheer
[00:00] --- Thu Apr 12 2001
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[00:16] <ajmitch> hi
[00:16] <wtay-tv>  hello
[00:16] Nick change: wtay-tv -> wtay
[00:17] Action: ajmitch is bored, is playing with gtk themes, etc; )
[00:17] <zaheer> yo
[00:17] <dobey> haha
[00:17] <dobey> as in gdk_draw() and stuff?
[00:17] <ajmitch> no
[00:17] <ajmitch> dobey: i'm not making a theme
[00:17] <dobey> oh
[00:17] <ajmitch> dobey: i can't be bothered coding this morning ;)
[00:26] <zaheer> its official...i will be releasing OpenTeleMedia 0.1.0 tomorrow
[00:26] <zaheer> I have all the bits in place and am currently working on the TCP view to it
[00:26] <zaheer> I might even get in a CORBA interface
[00:27] <wtay> wow
[00:27] <ajmitch> nice
[00:27] <zaheer> it will support .au files and .mp3 files (and if i get time .wav files)
[00:28] <zaheer> being sent over RTP as mu law or A law in any sample rate
[00:28] <dobey> what is otm?
[00:29] <wtay> I'm impressed...
[00:29] <zaheer> dobey: a client requests media stored at a URL to be sent via RTP to a certain IP/port in a specific format
[00:30] <zaheer> OpenTeleMedia then creates a Gstreamer pipeline starting from (currently) httpsrc ending with rtpsink
[00:31] <ajmitch> will it be announced on slashdot & freshmeat? ;)
[00:31] <zaheer> and starts playing the pipeline
[00:31] <zaheer> ajmitch: on freshmeat and linuxtelephony at least...
[00:31] <zaheer> ajmitch: on slashdot I will try but I doubt it will get posted...
[00:32] <ajmitch> zaheer: sounds like a cool program tho
[00:33] <ajmitch> zaheer: if you post to /. be prepared to deal with luser's complaints ;)
[00:33] <zaheer> ajmitch: yah, its main use would be to play media to telephony devices
[00:34] <zaheer> the difference is, it will be able to play a very wide variety of media formats
[00:34] <zaheer> anyways i am gonna get back to working on it
[00:36] <zaheer> i will commit to CVS my linear interpolation based audioresampler plugin once i got the upsampling working
[00:41] <zaheer> i will see you guys tomoz....
[00:41] <ajmitch> cya l8r
[00:41] <wtay> cya
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[01:11] <wtay-sleep> cya all
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