[livid-dev] Re: [gst-devel] Re: [livid-dev] a new direction for oms

Dan George dgeorge at ridgerun.com
Fri May 18 17:07:34 CEST 2001

I'm Dan George from RidgeRun, the guy who keeps omega gainfully employed
while he leads the GStreamer project. As a corporate sponsor of GStreamer I
have a goal of making it very high quality and full featured. Unfortunately,
these two goals conflict because adding features always makes high quality
harder to achieve. Pushing on quality also dampens innovation because
innovative ideas are almost always risky.

I liked what dent said about oms being a learning project. The oms community
could pursue new ideas and features with reckless abandon while the
GStreamer community can pull in the successful ideas as they mature and show
their value. This is not to say the GStreamer folks won't be innovative, I'm
just saying it is healthy to have a project that prioritizes innovation over
quality. From what dent said I gather that oms is that type of project.

If the two project teams were to work together in such a relationship what
would change? How can oms and GStreamer efforts combine to accelerate
multi-media superiority on Linux? That seems to be a common goal between the
two groups.

Thanks for taking the time to read the comments of a "pointy-haired-boss."


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:17 PM
To: yoann at mandrakesoft.com; ddennedy at coolsite.net
Cc: gstreamer-devel at lists.sourceforge.net; dlehn at vt.edu;
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Subject: Re: [livid-dev] Re: [gst-devel] Re: [livid-dev] a new direction
for oms

>From: Yoann Vandoorselaere <yoann at mandrakesoft.com>
>To: Dan Dennedy <ddennedy at coolsite.net>
>CC: gstreamer-devel at lists.sourceforge.net, David "I." Lehn <dlehn at vt.edu>,
>livid-dev at linuxvideo.org
>Subject: Re: [livid-dev] Re: [gst-devel] Re: [livid-dev] a new direction
>for oms
>Date: 15 May 2001 23:20:09 +0200
>On 15 May 2001 17:11:03 -0400, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> > Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >This is total nonsense !
> > >In this case, why don't we just all jump in Gstreamer development,
> > >instead of stilling it's code, and working on a fork of it.
> > >You should have remembered the lesson with the libvo experience.
> > >
> > I think you misunderstood David. I got the impression that David
> > suggests using gstreamer for the backend of OMS not by stealing or
> > forking, but through adoption and contribution. With that approach, some
> > OMS developers will work on gstreamer itself, while others will work on
> > porting OMS to be a gstreamer app for DVD playback.
>ok, so that could be a good choise... Dent ?

seems to be a good idea - at least to take a serious look into the
whole story. gstreamer is a really cool approach and has nice idea
as their base.

- on the other hand: i started this project to learn. learn more
about the core and how we could actually implement things - and i
guess we're still good for delivernig ideas to other projects :)

... nevertheless, i didn't start to make a full featured commercial
DVD player (this project will never be commercial - but probably by
incident full-featured :), so this is at least what i like to do:

write more on the codebase - make it simpler (this is my main goal),
add new features, and also push omi as a standalone runtime-self
reconfigurable interface.

- maybe my goals are selfish here, since a single project would for
sure benefit from united forces, but the other thing is that ideas
are still floating around, and when you think back to the beginning
of this projects, ideas are more mature today :)

... just my $0.02 - i'd like to work on oms again, and if someone
	finds part of oms useful, he's more than welcome to take
	them (look at the GPL headers ;)


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