[gst-devel] Re: Multiple licenses and plugins
rms at gnu.org
Tue Aug 20 10:22:05 CEST 2002
> How did you choose the LGPL for the base library? In some cases
> that is the right decision, but many libraries would do better using
> the GPL. What job does the library do?
It is the GStreamer multimedia framework. The reason we choose the LGPL was both
wanting a license that protected our work yet one that was open enough
to enable it to get us some convergence in the [GNU/]Linux multimedia
(Would you please call the system "GNU/Linux"? Using the term "Linux"
for more than the kernel makes it harder for the GNU Project to do its
work. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html.)
That kind of reason is a good reason in some cases. Miguel and I
decided together that certain basic GNOME libraries should be LGPL'd,
this kind of reason.
The question is, how much good does it really do in this instance?
How does it particularly help the Free World, or the GNU Project, if
non-free programs that run on GNU/Linux use GStreamer rather than
If it encourages developers to integrate these programs well with
GNOME and the rest of GNU--rather than, say, KDE--that could make
GNOME and GNU more successful. Is that the result you are hoping for?
Meanwhile, the fact that you plan to use GPL-covered plug-ins means
that if some non-free app links with your library, it is very likely
to be led into violating the GPL for plug-ins. In effect, your
library may be in effect designed to encourage GPL violations. That
is a serious problem. If that is the real situation, it is a very
strong argument for using the GPL for the library. That way, the line
will be clear, rather than vague.
> That is correct, in most cases. If the plug-in is general purpose
> and not designed specifically for use with your library, they could
> make a valid argument that this is the equivalent of running a command
> from the hsell.
Yeah, that description would fit us well as all the plugins we made
ourselves from scratch are LGPL, so it is only plugins based on 3rd
party libraries that will be GPL (even if we license the 'plugin code'
itself as LGPL).
We may be miscommunicating here. Whether the plug-in is *based on*
someone else's more general package is relevant for other purposes but
it is not the issue I am raising here.
The issue is whether the finished plug-in, ready to be loaded by your
library, including whatever glue you added to some other general
package, communicates in some specific special way with your library.
Is the interface between plug-in and library as basic and minimal as
fork-and-exec, or does it include other more specific kinds of
> By the way, the GNU Project is looking to establish direct
> relationships with developers of parts with GNOME, for them to be
> directly GNU packages. Are you interested in doing that?
Not really sure. For one thing we do not mind people using our library
for applications that is licensed under a non-free license or even a
Whether to do that is an important issue, which we're discussing it
now, but making GStreamer directly a GNU package is a different issue.
Here's the explanation of what it means for a program to be a GNU
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