[gst-devel] Re: Totem or no Totem was Re: GNOME Development Series Snapshot 2.3.0: "Mighty Atom"

Bastien Nocera hadess at hadess.net
Wed Apr 23 07:35:31 CEST 2003

On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 15:19, Bill Haneman wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 14:55, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote:
> ...re SMIL...
> > > > It's all we have for subtitles using media streams that don't support
> > > > subtitling internally.  Certainly it offers solutions to problems such
> > > > as multi-language subtitles that are difficult to solve otherwise.
> > > 
> > > Well, there's Subrip, SubViewer, MicroDVD, SubStationAlpha, and MPSub.
> None of which use non-proprietary formats, and all of which seem to deal
> with the DivX/DVD format AFAICT.  This is fine for playing DVD content
> but no help when it comes to creating content or providing
> openly-distributable content or viewers that aren't IP encumbered.
> DVD format is IMO no good for creating accessible content.  That's one
> reason why SMIL is being promoted for this purpose currently.

You didn't get it at all. These are just subtitle formats, you can use
them on top of any video playable by the player. Ie. if I have an MPEG
file, and a subtitle file, I can have the subtitles synchronised with
the video. For all these formats, the specs are available.

> > > > I am not saying that the SMIL grammar is great, but I am saying that
> > > > it's what we have to work with at the moment.
> > > 
> > > Well, there's already support in xine and ongoing work in Gst to support
> > > the formats mentioned above. You still didn't answer my question as to
> > > what was needed from the movie player. Does it only need to show
> > > subtitles as video overlays?
> The big issue doesn't have to do with playing commercial DVD movies
> accessibly, it has to do with viewing (and creating) accessible content
> in non-proprietary or at least more-openly-viewable formats.  As I see
> it DVD content is only a small part of the puzzle.

See http://gsubedit.sourceforge.net/ for an application to create

> > We have the following IRC log of a discussion between Wim and Bill on
> > the topic of accessibility which I think mentions most of what the
> > player needs to do:
> > http://www.gstreamer.net/docs/gstaccess.php

Now, that's useful. Thanks Christian.

/Bastien Nocera

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