[gst-devel] GStreamer summit in Istanbul

[Jan Schmidt]

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 18:52 +0200, Julien Moutte wrote:
> Hi GStreamers,
> 
> So I learned on Wednesday that there was a GStreamer summit on past
> Sunday announced past Friday. Fine, I would have loved to be there, really.

You're right - actually organising to get together was a bit rushed and last
minute. Sorry you missed it - obviously more people is better. I brought up
the idea multiple times over the last few months on IRC, and it was in the 
channel topic for a week before Friday - but noone really jumped on it, so I
JFDI on Friday by announcing it on my blog and on IRC.   

It's a manifestation of our collective problem that the majority of our
decision making happens on IRC. That's also true of the GIT vs other VCS
discussions - the points we covered on Sunday were the sum of things raised
in several discussions on IRC over the last well, year or more.

David has summarised the considerations there really well in the 'GStreamer
switching to git thread' - IMO, choosing Git over Bzr is mostly about the
fact that we have people stepping up to the plate to switch to and provide
support for the first, and so far only bike-shedding for the second. I think
either one is a viable choice for us as a project - we just need to pick one
and do it, so lets do git.

> Can someone please flush to the list the discussions that happened there ?

In fact, we didn't talk about many topics. I think it's about 3 points:
1) Switching away from CVS to something else
2) Is there any desire to branch 0.11?
3) Demos of some things (DVD playback from me, HDV capture from Edward,
basetransform2 progress from Wim)

1) is summarised above ok, I think, and might be better discussed in the
"GStreamer switching to git" thread.

2) The outcome was that there's no interest (among the people present)
in branching 0.11 like we did 0.9. In particular we'd like to avoid any
'unstable series' model that risks 0.10 becoming abandonware while
everyone starts hacking on the next new thing.

What we'd rather see happen is a) move to a VCS that supports branching
well and b) people can then create personal hacking branches to do
experimental things they want to try out, while still pulling from each
other and the trunk. Eventually if we have enough interesting things in
branches, we can try and forge a 0.12 merged version from them.

3) Demos were cool - come see some :)

> Can we also have our saying on those discussions before any item gets
> the "we decided" stamp please ?
> 
> I personally had some nice discussions with other people during that
> first Guadec day about considering bazaar for our source code
> repository, migrating some Fluendo modules to the same repository than
> GStreamer, discussing future of media applications like Totem and Rhythmbox.
> 
> So we should get synchronized on the mailing list, try to get Mike and
> other people on that too and reach some agreement before we go to actions...

Personally, I'd rather have a discussion along the lines of 'does anyone
we care about (core contributors, maintainers) see git as such a
show-stopper that it will stop them hacking?'. The times we've talked
about it on IRC in the past, I haven't seen anyone stepping up saying
that - until Ole's mail worrying about Git on Windows, but let's talk
about that on that thread.

- Jan

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Julien Moutte,
> 
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Jan Schmidt <thaytan at noraisin.net>