[LGM] LGM 2016 videos - Worth the wait?

Mon Oct 3 20:58:19 UTC 2016

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:06 PM, C R <cajhne at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Same as Patrick and Liam. I feared that my answer could be perceived
>> as a complaint on your work. There is absolutely none. I was only
>> proposing an alternative for the next years after my very good
>> experience at GUADEC, but the simple fact that you stepped up when
>> none of us did is already enough to say thank you!
>>
>> Please don't take my comments (and others) personally. I don't want to
>> be the cause of frustration. :-)
>>
>
> No, It's fine. Actually, I'm interested to know how they pulled off the real
> time editing stuff you mentioned.
> I may get in contact with them to see if they will share their experiences,
> and software/hardware recommendations.

Their full workflow seems pretty integrated with their platform and
not all of it is FLOSS yet. They have a task management system (they
call it the "tracker") which is a central part of their workflow and
has not been licensed yet (the code is public though), but they told
me FLOSS licensing is planned of course.

The live editing part is their custom tool called voctomix:
https://github.com/voc/voctomix
You can have an idea of the capabilities with this talk the main
developer gave: https://media.ccc.de/v/froscon2016-1696-voctomix
Look in particular at 23:00 to see the various composition modes. As
you can see, this is very limited editing possibilities, but probably
exactly what you want to record a talk. As 40:00, he shows the GUI,
with various inputs and how he mixes everything with buttons. This is
a very basic GUI ("shitty" is the word he says in the talk), but
actually perfectly fitted for talk recording/mixing IMO. You don't
want to mess up with complicated features, you just want very simple
mixing possibilities.

And to see a result, for instance, have a look at our last talk at
GUADEC, which was shot and live-edited, live-streamed then
automatically uploaded on both their platform on youtube soon after:
https://media.ccc.de/v/42-zemarmot__open_animation_film_produced_with_foss
It also has a small "GUADEC" video jingle at the start with the name
of the talk and people. I don't really think you need much more than
this.

As you can see, this topic is of high interest to me as well, so I
also did some research on my own and got in contact with them some
weeks ago (as I said in the previous email). :-)

Jehan

> No offence taken. It's good to know there are options for a more
> professional camera crew as well. :)
>
> -C
>
>> > I'm happy to help mask and render with you if you want to provide a
>> > .blend
>> > file for me to see what you're up to.
>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:55 PM C R <cajhne at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am using Blender as my video editor because its masking system is far
>> >> superior to other open source video editors out there. While I can
>> >> provide a
>> >> template, Blender has a high learning curve.
>> >>
>> >> Please, by all means have someone else do this next year.
>> >> The only reason I volunteered is because no one else did, and we'd not
>> >> have any videos at all if I hadn't taken it up.
>> >>
>> >> If there are people who can get there and edit in real time, more power
>> >> to
>> >> them. I worked with what I was given, and had no control over the
>> >> setup,
>> >> despite showing up a month early in order to help prepare. It was
>> >> simply
>> >> refactored and then taken away at the last minute.
>> >>
>> >> We only have videos of Sunday at all because I was running a backup
>> >> camera
>> >> (student "assistant" destroyed the data, as I feared he would). I
>> >> refuse to
>> >> be involved in a situation like that again, and I pity anyone who
>> >> volunteers
>> >> for it. It would be far better to bring cameras/mics owned by people in
>> >> the
>> >> project.
>> >>
>> >> At any rate, I don't have the time or money to help this year, so
>> >> please
>> >> do sort something else out before the next one.
>> >> I doubt I'll be able to attend, even though I enjoy the talks. My time
>> >> would probably be better spent preparing a talk for the year after
>> >> next,
>> >> anyway.
>> >>
>> >> The general consensus is most people don't seem to care about the
>> >> darkness, or not being able to read things on the projector properly,
>> >> so...
>> >> guess I don't either. :) I'll just slap on the intro and outro to what
>> >> we
>> >> have, and upload as-is.
>>
>> As Liam puts it, I think it's only a matter of priority. I don't think
>> anyone wants terrible videos. I don't know the state of the raw image
>> (you make it sound like absolutely unreadable, which is obviously not
>> good), so I only assumed "average video quality". Maybe that was not
>> the case.
>> Average video quality (with just an additional LGM jingle at the
>> beginning and the name of the presenters and project) is usually
>> good-enough for spreading this kind of media, IMO. :-)
>>
>> Anyway I hope our comments didn't frustrate you too much, that was
>> absolutely not the point.
>> And thank you for all the hard work!
>>
>> Jehan
>>
>> >> Thanks for the feedback.
>> >> -C
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Liam R. E. Quin <liam at holoweb.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, 2016-10-02 at 19:40 +0200, Jehan Pagès wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> [...]
>> >>> > > See the result here:
>> >>> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/pvz6qie4c6iq2y3/worth_it.mp4?dl=0
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Note how clear the font forge logo is on the projector, for
>> >>> > > example.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Obviously, this change entails more work on my part.
>> >>> > > My question to everyone else, is: Is it worth waiting for the new
>> >>> > > edits?
>> >>>
>> >>> It depends if it's a matter of a few hours or a few weeks.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jehan is right that we can imagine instant streamed videos -- the
>> >>> bootleg videos Dave Crossland posted in Toronto were popular precisely
>> >>> because they were available right away. But they were not a substitute
>> >>> for higher quality videos produce later.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best to get something up now if it isn't already, but perfectly OK to
>> >>> update the videos later.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Liam
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Liam R. E. Quin <liam at holoweb.net>
>> >>> The barefoot typographer
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