[LGM] LGM 2016 videos - Worth the wait?

Mon Oct 3 21:14:05 UTC 2016

Looks really good! Thanks for sharing all the information. It will
certainly be worth a weekend or two to set it up and test it (after the lgm
video edits are complete, of course).

Thanks again for the info!
-C

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Jehan Pagès <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:06 PM, C R <cajhne at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Same as Patrick and Liam. I feared that my answer could be perceived
> >> as a complaint on your work. There is absolutely none. I was only
> >> proposing an alternative for the next years after my very good
> >> experience at GUADEC, but the simple fact that you stepped up when
> >> none of us did is already enough to say thank you!
> >>
> >> Please don't take my comments (and others) personally. I don't want to
> >> be the cause of frustration. :-)
> >>
> >
> > No, It's fine. Actually, I'm interested to know how they pulled off the
> real
> > time editing stuff you mentioned.
> > I may get in contact with them to see if they will share their
> experiences,
> > and software/hardware recommendations.
>
> Their full workflow seems pretty integrated with their platform and
> not all of it is FLOSS yet. They have a task management system (they
> call it the "tracker") which is a central part of their workflow and
> has not been licensed yet (the code is public though), but they told
> me FLOSS licensing is planned of course.
>
> The live editing part is their custom tool called voctomix:
> https://github.com/voc/voctomix
> You can have an idea of the capabilities with this talk the main
> developer gave: https://media.ccc.de/v/froscon2016-1696-voctomix
> Look in particular at 23:00 to see the various composition modes. As
> you can see, this is very limited editing possibilities, but probably
> exactly what you want to record a talk. As 40:00, he shows the GUI,
> with various inputs and how he mixes everything with buttons. This is
> a very basic GUI ("shitty" is the word he says in the talk), but
> actually perfectly fitted for talk recording/mixing IMO. You don't
> want to mess up with complicated features, you just want very simple
> mixing possibilities.
>
> And to see a result, for instance, have a look at our last talk at
> GUADEC, which was shot and live-edited, live-streamed then
> automatically uploaded on both their platform on youtube soon after:
> https://media.ccc.de/v/42-zemarmot__open_animation_film_produced_with_foss
> It also has a small "GUADEC" video jingle at the start with the name
> of the talk and people. I don't really think you need much more than
> this.
>
> As you can see, this topic is of high interest to me as well, so I
> also did some research on my own and got in contact with them some
> weeks ago (as I said in the previous email). :-)
>
> Jehan
>
> > No offence taken. It's good to know there are options for a more
> > professional camera crew as well. :)
> >
> > -C
> >
> >> > I'm happy to help mask and render with you if you want to provide a
> >> > .blend
> >> > file for me to see what you're up to.
> >> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:55 PM C R <cajhne at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I am using Blender as my video editor because its masking system is
> far
> >> >> superior to other open source video editors out there. While I can
> >> >> provide a
> >> >> template, Blender has a high learning curve.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please, by all means have someone else do this next year.
> >> >> The only reason I volunteered is because no one else did, and we'd
> not
> >> >> have any videos at all if I hadn't taken it up.
> >> >>
> >> >> If there are people who can get there and edit in real time, more
> power
> >> >> to
> >> >> them. I worked with what I was given, and had no control over the
> >> >> setup,
> >> >> despite showing up a month early in order to help prepare. It was
> >> >> simply
> >> >> refactored and then taken away at the last minute.
> >> >>
> >> >> We only have videos of Sunday at all because I was running a backup
> >> >> camera
> >> >> (student "assistant" destroyed the data, as I feared he would). I
> >> >> refuse to
> >> >> be involved in a situation like that again, and I pity anyone who
> >> >> volunteers
> >> >> for it. It would be far better to bring cameras/mics owned by people
> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> project.
> >> >>
> >> >> At any rate, I don't have the time or money to help this year, so
> >> >> please
> >> >> do sort something else out before the next one.
> >> >> I doubt I'll be able to attend, even though I enjoy the talks. My
> time
> >> >> would probably be better spent preparing a talk for the year after
> >> >> next,
> >> >> anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> The general consensus is most people don't seem to care about the
> >> >> darkness, or not being able to read things on the projector properly,
> >> >> so...
> >> >> guess I don't either. :) I'll just slap on the intro and outro to
> what
> >> >> we
> >> >> have, and upload as-is.
> >>
> >> As Liam puts it, I think it's only a matter of priority. I don't think
> >> anyone wants terrible videos. I don't know the state of the raw image
> >> (you make it sound like absolutely unreadable, which is obviously not
> >> good), so I only assumed "average video quality". Maybe that was not
> >> the case.
> >> Average video quality (with just an additional LGM jingle at the
> >> beginning and the name of the presenters and project) is usually
> >> good-enough for spreading this kind of media, IMO. :-)
> >>
> >> Anyway I hope our comments didn't frustrate you too much, that was
> >> absolutely not the point.
> >> And thank you for all the hard work!
> >>
> >> Jehan
> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the feedback.
> >> >> -C
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Liam R. E. Quin <liam at holoweb.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sun, 2016-10-02 at 19:40 +0200, Jehan Pagès wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> [...]
> >> >>> > > See the result here:
> >> >>> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/pvz6qie4c6iq2y3/worth_it.mp4?dl=0
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Note how clear the font forge logo is on the projector, for
> >> >>> > > example.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Obviously, this change entails more work on my part.
> >> >>> > > My question to everyone else, is: Is it worth waiting for the
> new
> >> >>> > > edits?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It depends if it's a matter of a few hours or a few weeks.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jehan is right that we can imagine instant streamed videos -- the
> >> >>> bootleg videos Dave Crossland posted in Toronto were popular
> precisely
> >> >>> because they were available right away. But they were not a
> substitute
> >> >>> for higher quality videos produce later.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best to get something up now if it isn't already, but perfectly OK
> to
> >> >>> update the videos later.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Liam
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Liam R. E. Quin <liam at holoweb.net>
> >> >>> The barefoot typographer
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