[LGM] LGM 2019 - Funding
Jehan
jehan.marmottard at gmail.com
Tue May 7 02:40:31 UTC 2019
Hi all!
Permit me to chim in again! :-)
On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 4:28 AM Pat David <patdavid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, small update. I managed to chat a bit with Dave (thanks for taking
> the time!) earlier today and this is what I think we have agreed to.
>
>
> -----8<------
>
> The primary intent of Google’s sponsorship is to facilitate the timely
> publication of edited audio-video recordings of event presentations soon
> after the conclusion of the event. Remaining funds can be used by the
> Organization at its discretion for the benefit of the event, such as paying
> speakers’ travel expenses. Organization will arrange for audio-video
> recordings of all the stage presentations to be made.
>
> Organization will arrange for the recordings to undergo a high-quality
> editing and post-production process.
>
> Organization will arrange for the edited videos to be uploaded to YouTube
> on the “Libre Graphics Meeting” Channel (
> https://www.youtube.com/user/LibreGraphicsMeeting) before the Project End
> Date.
>
> To encourage and facilitate use, remixing, and widespread dissemination as
> an open educational resource, Organization will arrange for all video to be
> released under a "free cultural work" license, such as the Creative Commons
> "Attribution" or "Attribution ShareAlike" licenses.
>
> ---
>
> - Google's logo, linked to the Google Fonts About Page (
> fonts.google.com/about), shall be added to the Libre Graphics Meeting
> 2019 website sponsorship, programme and home pages, subject to design
> approval by Google before publication.
>
> - Text describing the sponsorship on the sponsorship page, subject to
> approval by Google before publication.
>
> - If a printed Programme is to be offered to event participants, the
> Google logo shall be included, subject to design approval by Google before
> publication.
>
> - Opening and closing remarks from the main stage by a representative of
> Organization shall include positive recognition of the sponsorship.
>
> - A statement in the description field of each video uploaded to YouTube
> that includes a text approved by Google. For example:
> "This presentation was recorded on 1st June 2019 as part of Libre Graphics
> Meeting 2019, at the Hochschule der Bildenden Künste Saar in Saarbruecken,
> Germany. This video was made possible through sponsorship and volunteer
> work from several individuals and organizations. To learn more, see
> libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/"
>
If not mistaken, from the IRC discussion between Pippin and Pat, I think
this last sentence was not very appreciated because it implies sponsorship
for the video by these organizations with list found on website. Pippin was
proposing to remove it altogether (and just keep the
https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/ link). So that would become:
> This presentation was recorded on 1st June 2019 as part of Libre Graphics
Meeting 2019, at the Hochschule der Bildenden Künste Saar in Saarbruecken,
Germany. To learn more, see libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/
> - An image or set of images that uses the Google logo, any other logos,
> and communicates the above statement visually shall be included for 3
> seconds, at the start of 2 short promotional videos about the 2018 event
> and the 2019 event, subject to design approval by Google before publication.
>
Though I'm not fond of LGM making ads for free for a huge company such as
Google, at least it's not the main talk videos, so that's better in a way.
I'm just wondering about: who will make these additional promo videos?
Making good videos take time, dedication and good designer eyes (we know,
we do this daily!). Also I am assuming that these will have to be made with
FLOSS (which is also what we do).
I'm just raising this issue because I'm a bit scared that some people may just promise stuff for others to be done without even consulting these people if they are ok. I know I wouldn't be ok to make promo videos for Google as a volunteer (let's be fair, don't answer me that's promo for LGM, it's not!). We feel even more badly about these kind of things since video making is what our organization actually does (as repeated!), so we know how much hard work it is.
As a side story, our film director (LILA's artist-in-residence, Aryeom Han) even did get solicited by Google years ago (in Japan) to make "promo animations", along with other people. She went to a full morning meeting at Google HQ in Tokyo and when she understood that they were in fact asked for "free work", she walked out (as most other "invited" people). This is apparently something these companies are used to do (using free works by professional to do their marketing and promising "visibility" or whatever else bullshit) and is absolutely not right. So yeah, I repeat: I am not fond of the idea, though I am not against as long as the people who promise this are aware of the implications and are ok to do unpaid work for a big company.
So I just want to make sure that LGM knows what it is going into when it enters such territory and make contracted promises. In the end, if "sponsor" money corresponds to the amount which would have been paid to do the additional work, is it still sponsoring or is it hidden very badly paid work? If you wanted, I could even tell you approximately how much it could cost in France to make 2 promo videos (assuming at least 30 secs each) and to shoot events live for 4 days straight if we were to make salaries because some people will actually be working. This is only so that people who promise things realize it's work not fun. And that usually cost quite a bit! Just so we ponder: is it still sponsorship if it means additional work or is it being used for cheap marketing? If really Google wants to **help**, can't they settle for logo on website and printed stuff?
Of course we are not the ones doing the 2 videos. Maybe the doers are actually totally fine with it hence don't get my being a bit defensive. If this is the case, please forgive and forget my remarks! Thanks.
As for C3Voc, I'm a bit wary they still haven't been consulted at all yet (or have they?).
Who is in contact with them?
> ----------
>
> Dave - hopefully I didn't butcher anything in translation, but if this is
> ok with Dave/Google, then we (GIMP) are ok.
> I don't think I've messed it up, but in case I did and a GIMPer has a
> chance to read this, please let me know asap.
>
And here were my remarks. :-)
Jehan
P.S.: I am on constant move until the 24th so don't expect timely answers.
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:36 PM Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I missed the first part of the discussion and cannot report definitively
>> on its results. It would be nice if somebody with the full log could post.
>> Given the rapidly approaching deadline on the printing, I reraise my
>> proposal to print materials subject to pending deadlines with the
>> assumption that we will reach a deal on Google sponsorship.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:51 AM Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm discussing this on #lgm now
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019, 11:33 AM Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At this point, the matter of the sponsorship is essentially out of our
>>>> hands. We can't seem to accept it without a waiver from the GIMP team, and,
>>>> on the flip side, I don't think that we would oppose any deal reached
>>>> between the GIMP team and Google. It also seems to me that we are still
>>>> some distance from any deal, as the GIMP team still need to decide in
>>>> general terms, as a group, what is acceptable as a prerequisite to forging
>>>> a specific deal.
>>>>
>>>> In the interest of keeping options open, I would propose that we
>>>> include Google branding on any materials that must be finalized prior to
>>>> the conclusion of the GIMP/Google negotiations. I'm not sure how others
>>>> feel, but I would be much happier giving away free logo space on a printed
>>>> program than foreclosing on the opportunity to cover travel costs this
>>>> year. Unless there is some breakthrough in the negotiations, I think that
>>>> this is the decision on our plate today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:41 AM Aude Poilroux <ap at k8.design> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> we need urgently a decision under which conditions we can accept the
>>>>> Google sponsoring. Since communication items such as the LGM poster will be
>>>>> printed tomorrow, *we need a final decision today*.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the LGM community does not accept the Google sponsoring, we will
>>>>> have to recalculate the general budget and see which budgets cuts are still
>>>>> possible (quite a lot of financial issues have already been negotiated and
>>>>> accepted, google sponsoring will be mainly used for travel cost
>>>>> reimbursement and communication costs).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your quick answer
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Aude - for the local organisation team
>>>>>
>>>>> Aude Poilroux
>>>>> Projektmanagerin
>>>>>
>>>>> *Coordination, Gestion de projets*K8 Institut für strategische
>>>>> Ästhetik
>>>>> Keplerstr. 3-5
>>>>> D-66117 Saarbrücken
>>>>> www.k8.design
>>>>> Tel: +49 681 84 492 069
>>>>> Mobil: +49 176 228 228 63
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am Fr., 3. Mai 2019 um 18:29 Uhr schrieb Jehan <jehan at girinstud.io>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, thanks for the various subsequent emails. It seems that
>>>>>> the issue is well understood and appreciated by most (i.e. the issue
>>>>>> **not** being that we want some kind of unique recognition or a
>>>>>> GIMP-branded video 🙄).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2019-05-03 21:11, Dave Crossland wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It seems this was discussed on 4th of March on irc, if anyone has
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > link to the public irclog that might be helpful.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I found a chat log with me and Soenke where we discussed this on
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> > day, please find attached screenshot. My second draft that I posted
>>>>>> > yesterday is based on the idea posed to me in that chat.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > My intent was never a "permanantly visible logo", like an overlay
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> > over the length of the video;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah I understood that is not what was asked. For the record, I would
>>>>>> have been completely against this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > it was always a slide with either just
>>>>>> > Google, or all the sponsors, at the start/end of each video for a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> > seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would not agree with a slide with Google logo only personally
>>>>>> unless
>>>>>> it could be made in a very unintrusive way (but really, I don't see
>>>>>> how). Basically this event is not called "Google Libre Graphics
>>>>>> Meeting"
>>>>>> and I certainly don't want a single big company to seemingly get
>>>>>> "ownership" of the events just because they give big money. Our
>>>>>> "souls"
>>>>>> are not for sale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I would find fair a page with **all** the corporate sponsors with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> clear text explaining these are events sponsor. Though I think this
>>>>>> page
>>>>>> could only be at the end with the credits (I would find it quite
>>>>>> oppressive at the start, still for the same reason).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now this is only my personal vote, not GIMP decision. This would have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be discussed with the others first and considering our last vote, I
>>>>>> believe this may not go this way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I sponsor a number of type design community events around the world,
>>>>>> > any this is the typical sponsor benefit; it's worked both ways (solo
>>>>>> > logo, multi logos) in the past for other events.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Anyway, if the gimp team wants the Google logo only on the website
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> > printed programme, not any videos associated with LGM, please let us
>>>>>> > know :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll discuss this and tell you, I guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jehan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Cheers
>>>>>> > Dave
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