[LGM] LGM 2019 - Funding

Tue May 7 03:11:39 UTC 2019

Hi, Jehan.

The proposal is not to give anything to Google for free. It may not be
expressly mentioned in the new agreement, and I know my stopgap proposal on
printed materials may have muddied the waters a bit, but the understanding
is that Google will still be contributing $20,000 towards the event in
exchange for the items listed in the agreement. Given that Google's
sponsorship of $15,000 last year covered all video-related expenses with a
significant over-run, I would expect $20,000 to cover the costs of video
recording and production, including the short promotional videos, plus a
lot more.

If Saint Louis prices are any guide, I would expect the videography,
including the two promotional reels, to cost under $5,000 if priced
competitively. If the prices somehow get out of control, we can always just
rent equipment; there will be no lack of people present who can operate it.
Likewise, the short promotional videos do not need to be Hollywood-quality,
and I am happy to make them myself if those prices look likely to soak up
the whole budget.

I'm very mindful of the precarious financial state of LGM, and I would not
support a sponsorship arrangement with net-negative financial implications.
I'm instead excited about this deal, as it seems very likely to allow us to
return to reimbursing travel expenses, which would be a great relief for
small projects with limited budgets and might also increase attendance.

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:40 PM Jehan <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Permit me to chim in again! :-)
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 4:28 AM Pat David <patdavid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok, small update. I managed to chat a bit with Dave (thanks for taking
> > the time!) earlier today and this is what I think we have agreed to.
> >
> >
> > -----8<------
> >
> > The primary intent of Google’s sponsorship is to facilitate the timely
> > publication of edited audio-video recordings of event presentations soon
> > after the conclusion of the event. Remaining funds can be used by the
> > Organization at its discretion for the benefit of the event, such as
> paying
> > speakers’ travel expenses. Organization will arrange for audio-video
> > recordings of all the stage presentations to be made.
> >
> > Organization will arrange for the recordings to undergo a high-quality
> > editing and post-production process.
> >
>
> > Organization will arrange for the edited videos to be uploaded to
> YouTube
> > on the “Libre Graphics Meeting” Channel (
> > https://www.youtube.com/user/LibreGraphicsMeeting) before the Project
> End
> > Date.
> >
> > To encourage and facilitate use, remixing, and widespread dissemination
> as
> > an open educational resource, Organization will arrange for all video to
> be
> > released under a "free cultural work" license, such as the Creative
> Commons
> > "Attribution" or "Attribution ShareAlike" licenses.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > - Google's logo, linked to the Google Fonts About Page (
> > fonts.google.com/about), shall be added to the Libre Graphics Meeting
> > 2019 website sponsorship, programme and home pages, subject to design
> > approval by Google before publication.
> >
> > - Text describing the sponsorship on the sponsorship page, subject to
> > approval by Google before publication.
> >
> > - If a printed Programme is to be offered to event participants, the
> > Google logo shall be included, subject to design approval by Google
> before
> > publication.
> >
> > - Opening and closing remarks from the main stage by a representative of
> > Organization shall include positive recognition of the sponsorship.
> >
> > - A statement in the description field of each video uploaded to YouTube
> > that includes a text approved by Google. For example:
> > "This presentation was recorded on 1st June 2019 as part of Libre
> Graphics
> > Meeting 2019, at the Hochschule der Bildenden Künste Saar in
> Saarbruecken,
> > Germany. This video was made possible through sponsorship and volunteer
> > work from several individuals and organizations. To learn more, see
> > libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/"
> >
>
> If not mistaken, from the IRC discussion between Pippin and Pat, I think
> this last sentence was not very appreciated because it implies sponsorship
> for the video by these organizations with list found on website. Pippin
> was
> proposing to remove it altogether (and just keep the
> https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/ link). So that would become:
>
> > This presentation was recorded on 1st June 2019 as part of Libre
> Graphics
> Meeting 2019, at the Hochschule der Bildenden Künste Saar in Saarbruecken,
> Germany. To learn more, see libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/
>
>
> > - An image or set of images that uses the Google logo, any other logos,
> > and communicates the above statement visually shall be included for 3
> > seconds, at the start of 2 short promotional videos about the 2018 event
> > and the 2019 event, subject to design approval by Google before
> publication.
> >
>
> Though I'm not fond of LGM making ads for free for a huge company such as
> Google, at least it's not the main talk videos, so that's better in a way.
>
> I'm just wondering about: who will make these additional promo videos?
> Making good videos take time, dedication and good designer eyes (we know,
> we do this daily!). Also I am assuming that these will have to be made
> with
> FLOSS (which is also what we do).
>
> I'm just raising this issue because I'm a bit scared that some people may
> just promise stuff for others to be done without even consulting these
> people if they are ok. I know I wouldn't be ok to make promo videos for
> Google as a volunteer (let's be fair, don't answer me that's promo for LGM,
> it's not!). We feel even more badly about these kind of things since video
> making is what our organization actually does (as repeated!), so we know
> how much hard work it is.
> As a side story, our film director (LILA's artist-in-residence, Aryeom
> Han) even did get solicited by Google years ago (in Japan) to make "promo
> animations", along with other people. She went to a full morning meeting at
> Google HQ in Tokyo and when she understood that they were in fact asked for
> "free work", she walked out (as most other "invited" people). This is
> apparently something these companies are used to do (using free works by
> professional to do their marketing and promising "visibility" or whatever
> else bullshit) and is absolutely not right. So yeah, I repeat: I am not
> fond of the idea, though I am not against as long as the people who promise
> this are aware of the implications and are ok to do unpaid work for a big
> company.
>
> So I just want to make sure that LGM knows what it is going into when it
> enters such territory and make contracted promises. In the end, if
> "sponsor" money corresponds to the amount which would have been paid to do
> the additional work, is it still sponsoring or is it hidden very badly paid
> work? If you wanted, I could even tell you approximately how much it could
> cost in France to make 2 promo videos (assuming at least 30 secs each) and
> to shoot events live for 4 days straight if we were to make salaries
> because some people will actually be working. This is only so that people
> who promise things realize it's work not fun. And that usually cost quite a
> bit! Just so we ponder: is it still sponsorship if it means additional work
> or is it being used for cheap marketing? If really Google wants to
> **help**, can't they settle for logo on website and printed stuff?
>
> Of course we are not the ones doing the 2 videos. Maybe the doers are
> actually totally fine with it hence don't get my being a bit defensive. If
> this is the case, please forgive and forget my remarks! Thanks.
>
> As for C3Voc, I'm a bit wary they still haven't been consulted at all yet
> (or have they?).
> Who is in contact with them?
>
> > ----------
> >
> > Dave - hopefully I didn't butcher anything in translation, but if this
> is
> > ok with Dave/Google, then we (GIMP) are ok.
> > I don't think I've messed it up, but in case I did and a GIMPer has a
> > chance to read this, please let me know asap.
> >
>
> And here were my remarks. :-)
>
> Jehan
>
> P.S.: I am on constant move until the 24th so don't expect timely answers.
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:36 PM Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I missed the first part of the discussion and cannot report
> definitively
> >> on its results. It would be nice if somebody with the full log could
> post.
> >> Given the rapidly approaching deadline on the printing, I reraise my
> >> proposal to print materials subject to pending deadlines with the
> >> assumption that we will reach a deal on Google sponsorship.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:51 AM Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm discussing this on #lgm now
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2019, 11:33 AM Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> At this point, the matter of the sponsorship is essentially out of
> our
> >>>> hands. We can't seem to accept it without a waiver from the GIMP
> team, and,
> >>>> on the flip side, I don't think that we would oppose any deal reached
> >>>> between the GIMP team and Google. It also seems to me that we are
> still
> >>>> some distance from any deal, as the GIMP team still need to decide in
> >>>> general terms, as a group, what is acceptable as a prerequisite to
> forging
> >>>> a specific deal.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the interest of keeping options open, I would propose that we
> >>>> include Google branding on any materials that must be finalized prior
> to
> >>>> the conclusion of the GIMP/Google negotiations. I'm not sure how
> others
> >>>> feel, but I would be much happier giving away free logo space on a
> printed
> >>>> program than foreclosing on the opportunity to cover travel costs
> this
> >>>> year. Unless there is some breakthrough in the negotiations, I think
> that
> >>>> this is the decision on our plate today.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:41 AM Aude Poilroux <ap at k8.design> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> we need urgently a decision under which conditions we can accept the
> >>>>> Google sponsoring. Since communication items such as the LGM poster
> will be
> >>>>> printed tomorrow, *we need a final decision today*.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the LGM community does not accept the Google sponsoring, we will
> >>>>> have to recalculate the general budget and see which budgets cuts
> are still
> >>>>> possible (quite a lot of financial issues have already been
> negotiated and
> >>>>> accepted, google sponsoring will be mainly used for travel cost
> >>>>> reimbursement and communication costs).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for your quick answer
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aude - for the local organisation team
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aude Poilroux
> >>>>> Projektmanagerin
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am Fr., 3. Mai 2019 um 18:29 Uhr schrieb Jehan <jehan at girinstud.io>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First of all, thanks for the various subsequent emails. It seems
> that
> >>>>>> the issue is well understood and appreciated by most (i.e. the
> issue
> >>>>>> **not** being that we want some kind of unique recognition or a
> >>>>>> GIMP-branded video 🙄).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2019-05-03 21:11, Dave Crossland wrote:
> >>>>>> > Hi
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > It seems this was discussed on 4th of March on irc, if anyone has
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> > link to the public irclog that might be helpful.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > I found a chat log with me and Soenke where we discussed this on
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> > day, please find attached screenshot. My second draft that I
> posted
> >>>>>> > yesterday is based on the idea posed to me in that chat.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > My intent was never a "permanantly visible logo", like an overlay
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>> > over the length of the video;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah I understood that is not what was asked. For the record, I
> would
> >>>>>> have been completely against this!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > it was always a slide with either just
> >>>>>> > Google, or all the sponsors, at the start/end of each video for a
> >>>>>> few
> >>>>>> > seconds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would not agree with a slide with Google logo only personally
> >>>>>> unless
> >>>>>> it could be made in a very unintrusive way (but really, I don't see
> >>>>>> how). Basically this event is not called "Google Libre Graphics
> >>>>>> Meeting"
> >>>>>> and I certainly don't want a single big company to seemingly get
> >>>>>> "ownership" of the events just because they give big money. Our
> >>>>>> "souls"
> >>>>>> are not for sale.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now I would find fair a page with **all** the corporate sponsors
> with
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> clear text explaining these are events sponsor. Though I think this
> >>>>>> page
> >>>>>> could only be at the end with the credits (I would find it quite
> >>>>>> oppressive at the start, still for the same reason).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now this is only my personal vote, not GIMP decision. This would
> have
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> be discussed with the others first and considering our last vote, I
> >>>>>> believe this may not go this way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > I sponsor a number of type design community events around the
> world,
> >>>>>> > any this is the typical sponsor benefit; it's worked both ways
> (solo
> >>>>>> > logo, multi logos) in the past for other events.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Anyway, if the gimp team wants the Google logo only on the
> website
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> > printed programme, not any videos associated with LGM, please let
> us
> >>>>>> > know :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We'll discuss this and tell you, I guess.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jehan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > Cheers
> >>>>>> > Dave
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