LGM 25 Nuremberg: HELP REQUIRED Online Resources

Tue Dec 10 17:50:11 UTC 2024

Hi a.l.e.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 3:55 PM ale rimoldi <ale at graphicslab.org> wrote:

  if he does not feel comfortable with a static site, and if we point
>   the whole domain to the KDE DNS provider, would it possible the KDE
>   sysadmins to have yearly subdomains to point elsewhere?
>   then, if the local organizers want to have a specific technology and
>   can host it, we can easily make them happy!
>

For DNS stuff, we have a significant capability in this area, have a look
at: invent.kde.org/sysadmin/dns but yes, we can certainly point to outside
places if needed.

In terms of tech stack, you may want to consider static site generators
such as Hugo - which we can also provide as an end to end pipeline.

  but if we decide to leave back the mailing list, a discourse forum
>   might be worth to be considered (i see that kde
>   has https://discuss.kde.org/),
>

Yes, discourse is very nice, we switched to it a while back. Pixls is also
running an instance https://discuss.pixls.us/

> let's what are the thoughts of the other people on this list!
>

If you decide to use KDE's infrastructure please contact our wonderful
sysadmins to organize the transition and whatever else might be needed at:
sysadmin at kde.org

have a wonderful evening
> a.l.e
>

Cheers :)

>
> > Hello all, long time! Hopefully I'll be able to join you next year.
> >
> > The KDE community can provide support by hosting the LGM website if
> > you like. But we'd have to sort some technical things out first like:
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 3:19 PM ale rimoldi <ale at graphicslab.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This having been said, i think that there are four important topics
> > > about the online resources and all of them need some discussion:
> > >
> > > - DNS
> > >
> >
> > Would it be acceptable to have this pointed at the KDE DNS provider?
> > (CloudNS.net)
> >
> > - website
> > >
> >
> > - - For the current year, what sort of website would we be taking on
> > the hosting of?
> > - - For the historical archives, is this anything other than a static
> > site?
> > - - Hosting wise, is there anything else needed aside from the
> > website(s)?
> >
> > - mailing list (archived messaging)
> > >
> >
> > We also have some mail servers, would you also need to use those?
> >
> >
> > > - messaging platform (real time messaging)
> > >
> >
> > If it also helps, KDE has an irc <-> matrix bridge that the sysadmins
> > can help setup from your irc channel to a matrix room.
> >
> > Please let me know what you think and I can get you in touch with the
> > KDE sysadmins so you can organize things.
> >
> > Cheers :)
> >
> >
> >
> > > I will start here with my thoughts but, if other people agree that a
> > > discussion is worth to be conducted, it's probably better if the
> > > replies go to one thread per topic (or some topics can go into a
> > > common thread).
> > >
> > >
> > > TLDR:
> > >
> > > and before going into the details, here my proposition for the next
> > > (urgent) steps:
> > >
> > > - AFGRAL gets in touch with louis and takes control of the LGM.org
> > >   domain
> > > - we find a new place where to host our archive with the static
> > > files (if nothing better is proposed, i can temporary host them on
> > > "my" shared web space; i guess that the AFGRAL can do the same; i
> > > can participate in rebuilding the sites from the git repositories)
> > >
> > > and now, a lot of details!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > # DNS
> > >
> > > Luis Desjardins is the "owner" of the DNS entries.
> > >
> > > He already asked for the ownership to be transferred.
> > >
> > > Since the LGM itself has no way to own them by itself, i'm very
> > > comfortable with the idea of having them in the hands of the AFGRAL
> > > (or any other entity around the AFGRAL if cedric's "we" did not
> > > refer to the account he has used for sending his email)
> > >
> > > If nobody disagree with this, I think that there is not much
> > > discussion needed and the AFGRAL is welcome to do get in touch with
> > > louis and get the name transferred.
> > > (probably, we only need libregraphiscmeeting.org , if louis still
> > > has other similar domains.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > # Hosting the "main" website with the landing page and the archive
> > >
> > > We need to move.
> > > urgently.
> > >
> > > personally, i haven't noticed that tuxfamily has been down for such
> > > a long time.
> > > we were very lucky that it was online during the latest LGM.
> > >
> > > we have a bunch of static web sites, each in its own directory,
> > > that are very rarely (or never) updated.
> > >
> > > my suggestion is to go for one of two solutions:
> > >
> > > - we are not picky at all, anybody can host them and we make sure
> > > that it's easy for us to migrate to a new host at any time, or
> > > - we try to find a stable host that can host us (for free). like
> > >   tuxfamily used to be.
> > >
> > > if we can make sure that at the end of each LGM a static site is
> > > checked into our github repository, we can be somehow more relaxed
> > > about this issue:
> > > we have very low requirements!
> > >
> > > since tuxfamily is currently down, i would suggest that we need a
> > > solution that can be online before the end of the christmas
> > > holidays. (or at least before the organization for the next LGM
> > > 2025 wants to go public with their information!)
> > >
> > > in the wors case, i can probably host it myself on my shared
> > > server, if no better solution is proposed (in such a short time).
> > >
> > > during the christmas holidays, i can reserve some time for
> > > recreating the websites.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > # the yearly LGM site
> > >
> > > for the last few years, we had a rather good experience with a
> > > static site that could be "automatically" updated by pushing to the
> > > github repository.
> > >
> > > if the organizers want / need a dynamic site (wordpress, django,
> > > ...), hosting them on a common server becomes a bit harder.
> > > with tux family we had the constraint that it only supported PHP and
> > > we mostly went for wordpress.
> > > that's all we could do.
> > > often, it was enough.
> > >
> > > i've already seen that somebody suggested creating subdomains that
> > > can be hosted by the organizers (and their partners).
> > > i'm fine with that, but it makes a bit harder to later host the
> > > static copy.
> > > (probably, not a big issue, though. but it's worth to check about it
> > > before deciding to use sub domains! it's an additional requirements
> > > for the host of the static sites)
> > >
> > > then we would have all lgm up to 2024 in lgm.org/20xx and the
> > > following ones in 20xx.lgm.org.
> > > maybe there is also an easy way to create a redirect. it needs to be
> > > tested. and documented.
> > >
> > > as i said at the beginning of this email, for me the only hard
> > > condition is:
> > >
> > > at the end of the lgm a static version of the site (with all the
> > > public content!) is checked into the git repository.
> > >
> > > (of course, you can disagree with me also about that! what i want to
> > > say, is that all the rest is open for discussions and we can
> > > probably be rather flexible!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > # archived messages: the mailing list
> > >
> > > currently, the "official" communication canal of the LGM is this
> > > mailing list.
> > >
> > > i've not seen many critical voices about this, but those who are not
> > > comfortable with it do not really have a place to complain.
> > > (i guess that most people who have not got into mailing list before
> > > the mid of the years 2010 are not used to register to mailing lists!
> > > (forums, facebook, statckoverflow, slack, ... have won the race)
> > >
> > > the advantage of this mailing lists:
> > >
> > > - it's very easy for us to use. (and everybody can use it)
> > > - freedesktop seems to manage it in a very stable way.
> > >
> > > the minus points:
> > >
> > > - many people are not used to mails and mailing lists anymore
> > > - no visual elements
> > > - (personally, i don't get a notification if there are mails i
> > > should read...)
> > >
> > > is there any need for discussions here?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > # real time messaging
> > >
> > > officially, we are using the #lgm channel on libera chat.
> > >
> > > the advantages:
> > >
> > > - it works.
> > > - it has very low (no) maintenance costs for us.
> > >
> > > do i need to talk about the issues?
> > >
> > > - no persistence of the messages (it's not possible to get home in
> > > the evening and check what has happened during the day (or during
> > > the week)).
> > > - almost none of us is permanently / often in the channel anymore.
> > > - many people have never heard of irc
> > > - most LGM projects do not (actively) use irc (anymore).
> > > - no fancy / visual content
> > >
> > > personally, i'm all for finding a new platform.
> > > if possible one that is completely based on free software.
> > >
> > > i've proposed to switch to element chat (matrix) in the past, but
> > > the the response was not very positive.
> > >
> > > personally, i'm not 100% convinced by element myself, but i've been
> > > using it in for another project for years and it works "well
> > > enough".
> > >
> > > the biggest issue is, for me, that many people still don't use it /
> > > don't know about it.
> > > the onboarding is rather painless, but:
> > > - for many people, it's one more platform
> > > - it's not the same as other platforms they are using.
> > >
> > > but i don't see any better solution that is completely (at least
> > > theoretically) open source and is as easy to use (for the end
> > > users!). and at least a bit popular (among our pairs).
> > >
> > > if i recall correctly, at the time i proposed it, the biggest
> > > concerns were about hosting (which is indeed hard, but i don't see
> > > how it can be an issue for the lgm: we don't even manage to easily
> > > host a static website) and about encryption (again, not an issue
> > > for me, but i respect that other people have fundamentally
> > > different opinions on this!).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > that's was a long mail.
> > >
> > > hopefully, i was not too boring, and i really hope that we can find
> > > good solutions to the issues we are facing!
> > > and i can invest some time in finding those solutions...
> > >
> > >
> > > have a wonderful start to the week
> > > a.l.e
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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