[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113538] Bundle and use open source Hebrew fonts by default

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113538

--- Comment #19 from Eyal Rozenberg <eyalroz at technion.ac.il> ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #16)
> (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #2)
> It should be chosen based on what is best in Hebrew. We are currently
> looking into what is best in latin presently (bug 113941).

You're "begging the question" (petitio principii) - assuming that's it may be
different in Hebrew than it is in Latin. Why?

> > 2. Assuming it's independent - is it better for Hebrew to have serif or as
> > sans-serif font?
> 
> Well this choice has to be decide for both headings and text, similar to how
> latin uses sans for headings and serif for text, and also what the best font
> for headings and text should be.

Actually, choosing a nice font for headings may be different than choosing one
for running text. The bundling choices focus on the former. Many of them - both
serif and sans serif - are totally out of the question IMHO as heading fonts
(Miriam, Frank Ruehl). On the other hand, some work both in both capacities -
even against each other, e.g. Alef/Alef or David/David (when you play with the
sizes).

> The choice of what the best font should be needs to be made both for serif
> and sans fonts, as even if we went with serif for writer, sans is used in
> calc and impress. Also the choice needs to be made in what is the best order
> for serif and sans fonts depending on what fonts the user has installed.

That's true. A secondary question, though, if the order can include both serif
and sans serif fonts (e.g. "Try Miriam CLM if David CLM is unavailable").

> So is this preference of David CLM for both text and headings? Do you still
> prefer David CLM over David Libre?

I definitely prefer David CLM to David Libre. While some may say I've been
"pre-conditioned" by using MS David for years, I still find David Libre way off
with respect to spacing. It feel a bit like monospace with actually being
monospaced.

About headings - like I said above, I haven't actually given my preference for
headings. And I think it would also depend on what's the running text font. I
often use David/David myself (and perhaps one could play with the weights a
bit). Another combination I like, which we can't use, is Narkisim with David -
where either one works (in my perception) as a header font for the other as
body font. Narkisim is here:
https://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=252

I'm not sure what I think about combining David with Alef, though. Alef is kind
of kind of a "look how clever and innovative I am" kind of a font, and David is
more conservative looking (conservative in the 20th century sense, not
older-Jewish-tradition sense).

> So you prefer Noto Sans over sans based hebrew fonts Nachlieli CLM and Rubik
> Libre? If you didnt already know, Liberation Sans is a fork of Arimo and
> Liberation Mono is a fork of Cousine.

Not really. I kind of take that back, and it wasn't a strong preference anyway.
Nachlieli is just fine. Liberation Sans too (in Hebrew, it reminds me of MS
Arial actually - possibly not a bad thing). Rubik feels a bit weird as a
default but I could live with it.

> Starting with Word 2013, it uses Calibri for text and Calibri Light for
> headings.

Well, it seems they're not too sure about this either then :-)

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