[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 135501] Change the default UI

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135501

--- Comment #51 from Maxim Monastirsky <momonasmon at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #0)
> * Do we want to remove some UI variants, and if so which?
At least the non-NB single toolbar mode can be removed, see comments in Bug
125040. Also in Bug 124835 there was a discussion about how the sidebar mode is
supposed to work, and I think that might be a candidate for removal too. As for
the other NB variants, we don't have to remove anything right now, as we can
just move some under experimental.

One more thing that I would like to point out is that "tabbed compact" isn't
really a different design, rather just a variation of "tabbed" made as a single
line of buttons, to save some vertical space. So even if we decide to go with
"tabbed", it still might make sense to keep also "tabbed compact". And
especially as our notebookbar can't be collapsed, unlike MS Office's ribbon.

(In reply to Telesto from comment #46)
> (In reply to Maxim Monastirsky from comment #41)
> > What I really missing from this discussion are *facts*. A major change like
> > this shouldn't be done without a serious study. We should collect feedback
> > from users who really tried to use the other UI variants on a daily basis,
> > and take a decision based on that. So arguments like "ribbon is the default
> > on windows, therefore we should use it too" don't count. When we set
> > something as default, we should be confident that at least it will allow
> > users to get their job done.
> 
> Such a study is time consuming and expensive. And results will be hard to
> asses. I assume Microsoft did spend some money on research on the acceptance
> of the ribbon or the start menu of "Windows 8'. They transition did have
> some bumps and there were some tweaks.. but the didn't go back to before.
I didn't actually mean a study about the acceptance of a ribbon as a concept.
This is well known that some people don't like ribbons. What I meant was to
gather feedback from users who are willing to use such interface, and actually
tried to use *our implementation* on a daily basis. My goal is to try to find
out if there are any major flaws/bugs, that might be serious enough to become
blockers for the default UI switch. And telemetry won't help here, because it
can only tell how many people clicked on the tabbed UI menu item, but not what
issued did they have with that interface, and whether they continued to use the
interface despite those issues, or just gave up and switched back to the
classic one.

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